Ableton Forum

sparklepuff wrote:I want to stick my guitar into one of these:

You cannot imagine how big a difference this makes, have one, love it............actually......it's pretty much "cream job" everytime I play.....

Not so much with bass (bummer) but with guitar/"insert your choice plugin here" you won't believe it.....

shtreimel wrote:I'm one lazy ass guitar player. So when I heard that other's were using Guitar Rig...Boss GT-8 etc., I did the same. Heaven?

Not at all. My experience is akin to eating an apple jelly candy as a replacement for an apple. Alas, I'll be repurchasing amps and pedals in the near future.

best way to go.......but too much hassle......and I can't have the volume problems........l

but here's what has me stiffy of late......

Guitar (right now a tele deluxe/moded and a clapton strat.....yes......I mean it and it's freakin' awsome!) with a mogomi/neutrik 10' cable to a solo 610 to motu traveler to (your computer here) with GR2.

As I said, cream-fest.......seriously......

Nice to hear that it creams. I just bumped the 610 up several slots on my "gear to buy" list.

sparklepuff wrote:It's Friday. It's called joking. If we were at Guitar Center I'd start wrestling with you and crashing over all the stupid stacks of Marshall cabinets.

Yeah well... I'd beat the living shit out of you just like that old lady who cut in front of me in line at Walmart today. The nerve of some people.

sparklepuff wrote:Nice to hear that it creams. I just bumped the 610 up several slots on my "gear to buy" list.

You won't be dissapointed, you can use it for so many things.

You can "gain" out and then have the level lower for a really tubish deal, or, you can do the opposite for a cleaner/crisper sound.

If it's too crisp, you can switch to low-z and it takes the bite off....or what I do allot is engage the low-cut which is an 80hz roll-off which is very nice since it helps to get a bit extra in headroom AND seem to sit in the mix better

Waves GTR...'nuff said...none of the others sound close to it...

I don't know about all this. So much depends on your guitar + amp sim combo that it's pretty hard to say what's better than what. When I used a Les Paul going straight into amplitube, it souded frickin' amazing in a away I could never recreate with my current setup of a strat and guitar rig 2. On the other hand, I've gotten some sweet tones out of just my strat and Logic's guitar amp pro that I could not have gotten out of the former combo. And I remember trying out a bunch of guitar's through a pod for hours in a shop once and being amazed at how some guitars sounded just great and some sounded horrible (still decent guitars though). So it just makes such a difference if a guitar's pickups and body type work well with the plug/amp sim. Some combos will sound just dreadful, but some really will be comparable, after tracking, to amps.

bla bla bla, why am I even talking, it's way past my bed time. good night...

HA!

Well, when you wake up, you'll hear me saying that it IS all relevant to which guitar/preamp/blah blah/etc.......very much so.

For example, with my solo 610, GAP (logic pro) was a MADMAN! Of course, I have the URS plugin that emulates pultech, which for guitar is awsome especially cause of the 3k, but then again.....the solo 610 is sick for ALL guitar use IMHO.

My two guitars are so different, the tele I refitted with a SD "little 59 which is for all intents and purposes, a small/lespaul RE-FIT. In the addition of adding a string-tree for the d/g strings.....It's a monster for just about any tone. I kept the original cobalt/silent for the neck position.......ummmm, silent? NOT EVEN! But the tone is really quite good.......

The Clapton strat will NEVER EVER EVER EVER be moded.......but that's just it......the sound is unique even though it's a strat. That TBX that is in it will kick holy butt in so many differnent situations.....and it's very "quiet" even though the gain is "off the hook"......

Anyways......I do know I am typing too much, but regardless of those guitars, and my basses......my setup does yeild unbelievable results............

funny,

i've still never thought of getting any guitar software. call me old fashioned but i'm a fan of my amps. i have thought about getting something software-ish for effects and to run other instruments through, but more often than not i find myself reamping soft-synths through my amps.

i think its crap.


NI realy could be a little more creative with the effects.

ohiowa wrote:funny,

i've still never thought of getting any guitar software. call me old fashioned but i'm a fan of my amps. i have thought about getting something software-ish for effects and to run other instruments through, but more often than not i find myself reamping soft-synths through my amps.

Some of us have been living in apartments for decades. But there's no fucking way I'm moving to the 'burbs even if it means loudness. This weekend I've been playing/recording/tweaking until 5 in the morning, no complaints, no interruptions.

Synths through a guitar amp sounds wicked. I've been playing midi guitar into synths and dialing up a distorted guitar tone to back them up for a REALLY rich tone.


Holy fuck!!! For the ~$800 it'd better sound good. Looks sexy!!!

Tone Deft wrote:

ohiowa wrote:funny,

i've still never thought of getting any guitar software. call me old fashioned but i'm a fan of my amps. i have thought about getting something software-ish for effects and to run other instruments through, but more often than not i find myself reamping soft-synths through my amps.

Some of us have been living in apartments for decades. But there's no fucking way I'm moving to the 'burbs even if it means loudness. This weekend I've been playing/recording/tweaking until 5 in the morning, no complaints, no interruptions.

Synths through a guitar amp sounds wicked. I've been playing midi guitar into synths and dialing up a distorted guitar tone to back them up for a REALLY rich tone.


Holy fuck!!! For the ~$800 it'd better sound good. Looks sexy!!!

Here's why it's that price.

rugged/build
UAD, you might some things better, but they probably cost WAY more (like some people like the avalon stuff, but it's much more...though it might do more.)
It's portable....!
And I've said enough about the sound but for us at home guitarists/bassists/and yes vocals it's a way to get that "real" sound without the vintage stacks and such.

Hell, you'd still need a good pre (um, like this one) to get the most out of mic'ing your rig

Tone Deft wrote:

Some of us have been living in apartments for decades. But there's no fucking way I'm moving to the 'burbs even if it means loudness. This weekend I've been playing/recording/tweaking until 5 in the morning, no complaints, no interruptions.

i guess i'm lucky in that i have deaf neighbors, or apathetic/passively supportive ones to say the least. most of my reamping is done with a 10watt 1960's magnatone or a 60watt Sunn 200s bass amp on "2" in my apartment at 4am it even helps just to have a speaker moving some air. You may be interested in trying one of zvex's 1watt amps or emery sound's 5watt recording amps or an old valco or magnatone tube amp.

as for the universal audio stuff, the 2-610 is an amazing, quite colored mic pre, i wouldn't compare it to an avalon at all. It's a classic. maybe their new solid state pre (the other "solo" lunchbox mic pre) is supposed to be quite transparent. i haven't heard the "solo" 610 yet, but have my eyes on one, if it's as good as one channel of the 2-610, i might be sold. It's going to cost much more than a bluetube or 4 channels of crappy pres, universal is quality stuff, not quite neve or api, but well above presonus, dbx, meek, etc.

although I do love guitar rig for almost any input (drums, bleeps, whatever)
I do have to admit that I think it's reverb is kinda terrible. I think amplitubes reverb is much more flexible.