Many Other Important Improvements

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Post by nebulae » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:44 am

R.J.Dubya wrote:I just read through this whole thread for the first time in its entirety, and I gotta say, I am definitely pretty excited about this update now. The little things really do make a difference.

Robert Henke wrote:Sampler and Simpler now have equal power crossfade curves.
It is finally possible to loop longer samples in a usefull way with crossfades...

R.
I'm not sure I totally understand this one though. Equal-power curves?
He prolly means that the strength of the crossfade curves, as in the slope and/or the curve of how fast the samples fade in and out during looping, is the same not for Sampler and Simpler.

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Post by Angstrom » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:53 am

it works better, simply put.

equal power means that the crossfade is smooth,
linear crossfades leave a little quiet notch at the 50/50 point

equal power is better.

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Post by Landser » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:59 am

After the first disapointment about missing "cool" new features, i'm becoming impressed with L7 more and more.
So many complaints, that software is bloated with features - and then a developer does not bloat it, everyone is disapointed in the first moment. :)

The little refinements sounding not spectacular, are what are so important for everyday work. And it seems L7 will really shine in that area.
And that drum-rack seems to be a well thought out new feature & concept.

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Post by Khazul » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:44 am

Anyone tried Stylus RMX in a drum rack?

Can you assign from the pads to different parts and/or notes in a single instance of RMX? (or other drum machine plugin for that matter - guru for eg?)
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Post by peeddrroo » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:54 am

Khazul wrote:Anyone tried Stylus RMX in a drum rack?

Can you assign from the pads to different parts and/or notes in a single instance of RMX? (or other drum machine plugin for that matter - guru for eg?)
i don't think you can use drum racks with a single instance of a VSTi.
you can't put the plugin "after" the drum rack, they are mutually exclusive.

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Post by Khazul » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:38 am

peeddrroo wrote:
Khazul wrote:Anyone tried Stylus RMX in a drum rack?

Can you assign from the pads to different parts and/or notes in a single instance of RMX? (or other drum machine plugin for that matter - guru for eg?)
i don't think you can use drum racks with a single instance of a VSTi.
you can't put the plugin "after" the drum rack, they are mutually exclusive.
Urgh - I really really hope not - if so it kinda make the drums racks concept a bit useless for the average multi channel drum machine plugin.

Do other ableton users really not use other plugins and just stick with the in-the-box stuff?

Perhaps you can assign more than one note to an instance, or does each plugin have to have its own note assignment? Can you imagin running 16 instances fo RMX - lol - would need a 16 core CPU ;)
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Post by peeddrroo » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:48 am

Khazul wrote:
peeddrroo wrote:
Khazul wrote:Anyone tried Stylus RMX in a drum rack?

Can you assign from the pads to different parts and/or notes in a single instance of RMX? (or other drum machine plugin for that matter - guru for eg?)
i don't think you can use drum racks with a single instance of a VSTi.
you can't put the plugin "after" the drum rack, they are mutually exclusive.
Urgh - I really really hope not - if so it kinda make the drums racks concept a bit useless for the average multi channel drum machine plugin.

Do other ableton users really not use other plugins and just stick with the in-the-box stuff?

Perhaps you can assign more than one note to an instance, or does each plugin have to have its own note assignment? Can you imagin running 16 instances fo RMX - lol - would need a 16 core CPU ;)
hold on, that made me think: what you can do is put the plugin on its own track, and then create a drum rack containing "external instrument" devices that point to the plugin.
that should do the trick.
you can also probably save that as a preset. i'll check.

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Post by andydes » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:54 am

Hold up, are you saying the external instrument device can be used to route audio and midi internally as well?

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Post by rozling » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:51 pm

peeddrroo wrote:
Khazul wrote:
peeddrroo wrote: i don't think you can use drum racks with a single instance of a VSTi.
you can't put the plugin "after" the drum rack, they are mutually exclusive.
Urgh - I really really hope not - if so it kinda make the drums racks concept a bit useless for the average multi channel drum machine plugin.

Do other ableton users really not use other plugins and just stick with the in-the-box stuff?

Perhaps you can assign more than one note to an instance, or does each plugin have to have its own note assignment? Can you imagin running 16 instances fo RMX - lol - would need a 16 core CPU ;)
hold on, that made me think: what you can do is put the plugin on its own track, and then create a drum rack containing "external instrument" devices that point to the plugin.
that should do the trick.
you can also probably save that as a preset. i'll check.
Pedro - no need, I've already tried this and it works, although you can't save it all as one preset - your drum vsti has to be on a separate track AFAIK. This makes it a pain in the arse as I *think* you would have to set it up every time you want to use it, or use the same template all the time.

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Post by rozling » Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:55 pm

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Post by rozling » Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:41 pm

Been messing with this for a bit now - it seems you can only route to instruments with multiple outputs for some reason. No biggie.

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Post by peeddrroo » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:51 pm

i found a way to save it as a preset: you put both the plugin and the drum rack in a single instrument rack.
the external instrument device allows you to choose as a "target" the plugin that is in the instrument rack on the same track!

and yes, it's only for plugins with separate outs.

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Post by peeddrroo » Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:59 pm

this is REALLY convenient.
i just made a rack for ADM (drum machine emulator from audiorealism).
i managed to map the keyboard and changed the drum rack's pads names to corresponding names (that appear in the midi clip as well).
now i have all that recalled with a double click on the preset.

now if the plugins automation could be accessed with the external instrument device, that would be a dream come true.

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Post by rozling » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:19 pm

Cheers for that tip!! This release gets better and better...

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Post by Angstrom » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:43 pm

My favourite so far is the audio loopback hack,
I know I mentioned it before - but I've just spent 2 days in a loop trance with my crazy L7 loopback buffer creations. Excellent.

You can loop racks back on themselves using the sidechain monitor. It is just excellent for making silly looper toys

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