Seriously, are you guys smoking crack?

AlexT · Post by **AlexT** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:47 pm

ChiDJ wrote:I'll stay with 5.

No you won't.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:32 pm

Heinz Graaf wrote:
forge wrote:
pat the dog wrote: now if only there was a way to make those copies aliases...
+1

What does this mean?

not sure if you really want the answer but it means when you make a change to the original file all the alias copies of the file will update with the changes - very nice feature

I run into this problem from time to time when I decide I want to change something - I have to go find all the duplicates and make the same changes

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:33 pm

Poster wrote:
dango wrote:i just think live should come with at least ONE non sample based instrument. impulse and simpler both need samples to run off of. it only makes sense there should be a really good synth that just comes with it. if only they had one to include in the package...
now this is the first very good argument I hear that isn't argumented by money..

yes, yes.. you are very right here.. makes alot of sense..
synthesis should be part of the basics..

I could imagine a stripped down 2 oscilator version of Operator would be a very smart move to include into the basic package..

Same as Simpler > Sampler

agreed

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:38 pm

BigBuddha wrote:Its a shame that Ableton will sell Live 7 and not give it to registered users as a free Live 6.5 upgrade.

I've been here since version 1 and it's funny because people say that everytime a new upgrade is released!

I still think the most controversial and heated update was version 4. There were cats that simply did not want to see midi and midi instruments in live, they swore that live was going to lose its "live" focus and end up turning into a DAW.....

freqn · Post by **freqn** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:11 pm

I can't justify an upgrade from 6.0.10. I think Ableton should invest in a better effort when 8 comes out. 7 seems like a gimmick and ridiculously priced especially with the add-on pkg.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:24 pm

RE both of the last two posts...

I think Ableton have definitely set their sights on repositioning Live as a DAW product over the past couple of years, and version 7 perhaps represents the crucial turning point for that procedss. The cost including add ons is now among the highest in the industry, but the production features lag seriously behind the competition in certain key areas. It will be very interesting to see how the market - i.s. us! - responds.

As a DAW it seems to me that Live 7 still lacks the following:

Audio:
* No specific loop recording/comping in a single track lane
* No audio clips can overlap
* Hence no crossfading of clips
* You can cut/paste/etc but there is no snap to zero crossings (for me a dealbreaker in terms of audio recording projects)
* No splined/bezier cuvers for automation - only linear
* No fade in/out handles/curves on clips
* Timestretch - fine for stage use but not always good enough for a production quality

MIDI:
* No list or notation editing
* No Groove Quantise
* Only first 128 parameters of a VST can be automated
* Limited MIDI CC automation/recording
* MIDI recording timing issues
* No support for GM protocol for import/export of files
* Limited editing tools and no genuine full screen piano roll editing including multiple CC automation lanes etc.

General:
* Dual Screen monitor support
* Track Folders
* No video thumbnail, only quicktime window support

There's others, but these are the top ones on the list that I remember at this point.

I know that I've posted this before elsewhere, but it still amazes me that this new update addresses SO FEW of the issues that keep Live from being for many people a serious DAW product. Either they really want to break into this area... or not. I just think it's going to be interesting to see where they go from here in the coming months. And also how they adapt to the new reality in terms of cost (post Logic 8, Reaper 2, etc).

coldrush · Post by **coldrush** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:19 pm

I got the beta today, and i will be upgrading Live, not interested in the Instruments and bloat, but from what i've seen so far i would be more than happy to pay for whats new and support Ableton. Nothing else out there works as good for what i do, i have tried demos of a lot of other sequencers, far to complicated and not very creatively inspiring.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:07 pm

coldrush wrote:I got the beta today, and i will be upgrading Live, not interested in the Instruments and bloat, but from what i've seen so far i would be more than happy to pay for whats new and support Ableton. Nothing else out there works as good for what i do, i have tried demos of a lot of other sequencers, far to complicated and not very creatively inspiring.

there's one good point - in another thread some were suggesting even 'hiring' Ableton by people 'petitioning' then to put in certain essential features - but really buying Live 7, while of course giving you access to alot of the really cool things like sidechaining and slicing, is more or less investing in Live 8

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:12 pm

coldrush wrote:I got the beta today, and i will be upgrading Live, not interested in the Instruments and bloat, but from what i've seen so far i would be more than happy to pay for whats new and support Ableton. Nothing else out there works as good for what i do, i have tried demos of a lot of other sequencers, far to complicated and not very creatively inspiring.

that's where ableton excels and others fail

the ability to creatively get going in no time flat versus the unability to creatively get going (at all)

to bad I'm on 5.2.2 I will never see the beta, but I'm hoping people who use 5.2.2 are able to upgrade - I guess if you can't use the beta you can't upgrade

oh well

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:19 pm

djadonis206 wrote:
coldrush wrote:I got the beta today, and i will be upgrading Live, not interested in the Instruments and bloat, but from what i've seen so far i would be more than happy to pay for whats new and support Ableton. Nothing else out there works as good for what i do, i have tried demos of a lot of other sequencers, far to complicated and not very creatively inspiring.
that's where ableton excels and others fail

the ability to creatively get going in no time flat versus the unability to creatively get going (at all)

to bad I'm on 5.2.2 I will never see the beta, but I'm hoping people who use 5.2.2 are able to upgrade - I guess if you can't use the beta you can't upgrade

oh well

you're losing touch Adonis! Of course you cn upgrade!

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:22 pm

forge wrote:
djadonis206 wrote: to bad I'm on 5.2.2 I will never see the beta, but I'm hoping people who use 5.2.2 are able to upgrade - I guess if you can't use the beta you can't upgrade

oh well
you're losing touch Adonis! Of course you cn upgrade!

hehe.... werd. I'm on 5.2 myself and man would I be pissed if I couldn't upgrade!

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:27 am

forge wrote:
djadonis206 wrote:
coldrush wrote:I got the beta today, and i will be upgrading Live, not interested in the Instruments and bloat, but from what i've seen so far i would be more than happy to pay for whats new and support Ableton. Nothing else out there works as good for what i do, i have tried demos of a lot of other sequencers, far to complicated and not very creatively inspiring.
that's where ableton excels and others fail

the ability to creatively get going in no time flat versus the unability to creatively get going (at all)

to bad I'm on 5.2.2 I will never see the beta, but I'm hoping people who use 5.2.2 are able to upgrade - I guess if you can't use the beta you can't upgrade

oh well
you're losing touch Adonis! Of course you cn upgrade!

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forge · Post by **forge** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:21 am

you crackpot

dazzer · Post by **dazzer** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:52 pm

@ adonis and smutek re. upgrades from 5.2:

Do it now! you get upgrade to Live 7 free.

smutek · Post by **smutek** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:02 pm

I'd imagine the price would still end up being the same in the long run though wouldn't it?

I'm just gonna chill for now, I plan on upgrading to the boxed suite around x-mas time.

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