finally... BITWIG STUDIO! beta 'soon'...

[ttilberg]

Linux users were not interested in paying for anything for software, let alone $500 USD.

As a Linux user, who also uses Windows, and OSX, iOS and Android, I think this is a silly statement.

Linux definitely has a time and a place, and it usually involves taking your old POS hardware and making it awesome again. Not saying that Linux is the primary target market, but Linux support is a big plus, even if I plan to mostly run it on OSX. And Linux users have and spend money too. Maybe it's not your primary usage, but having it available is only beneficial.

(That said, I don't actually plan on running it at all. But if Live offered Linux support, I would have been even quicker to pony up for it).


Also, regarding everyone talking about Live being a bad ReWire slave -- something that I always see brought up is that you can't load plugins into Live, and that's why everyone hates it. But I've also seen that you can route midi through Live, and session view midi clips are boss for non-linear awesomeness.

It seems you could load said plugins into your main host, instead of Live, you just wouldn't have as easy access to certain parameters in clip automation. It would still be accessible though, you would just need to know the CC, right?

I don't own any other solid DAWs to play around with this idea, but I feel like a lot of people complain about not loading plugins in Slave Live being the end of the world -- but surely you can load it into your host? Of course, when you use it like this, you don't have access to Live's Audio effects either -- but people hate those too, so there you go...

[friend_kami]

if bitwig delivers, i'm pretty sure there will be a lot of people jumping on the linux release, me included.
if you set up your linux system right there is nothing that's more secure, more stable and less resource hungry than a *nix system.

that + a native daw is more or less heaven in livesituations.

[JuanSOLO]

kami are you testing the Live 64bit beta?

[friend_kami]

kami are you testing the Live 64bit beta?

i would but it doesn't support video so it's useless for me.
right now i'm digging deep into reaper heh.

[3dot...]

if bitwig delivers, i'm pretty sure there will be a lot of people jumping on the linux release, me included.
if you set up your linux system right there is nothing that's more secure, more stable and less resource hungry than a *nix system.

that + a native daw is more or less heaven in livesituations.

I agree.. the biggest feature of BW is Linux..
they're going to try and dominate that realm..
the obvious contender is the already excellent and quite mature ..RENOISE
http://www.renoise.com/
energyXT http://www.energy-xt.com/
and Ardour http://ardour.org/screenshots
but renoise is not for everybody ...and Ardour apparently not there yet..
I don't know how massively energyXT is promoted or developed..
I'm thinking Reaper will eventually be ported to Linux as well..


the issue with Linux is compatibility of other softwares...like Midi device editors..vst installers..and the likes..

[Linear Phase]

if bitwig delivers, i'm pretty sure there will be a lot of people jumping on the linux release, me included.
if you set up your linux system right there is nothing that's more secure, more stable and less resource hungry than a *nix system.

that + a native daw is more or less heaven in livesituations.

I agree.. the biggest feature of BW is Linux..
they're going to try and dominate that realm..
the obvious contender is the already excellent and quite mature ..RENOISE
http://www.renoise.com/
and Ardour http://ardour.org/screenshots
but renoise is not for everybody ...and Ardour apparently not there yet..
I'm thinking Reaper will eventually be ported to Linux as well..

the issue with Linux is compatibility of other softwares...like Midi device editors..vst installers..and the likes..

Renoise = Only for Warriors; and Jedi Music Masters

True

---- > I woke up with my mind on the floor...

[Linear Phase]

kami are you testing the Live 64bit beta?

i would but it doesn't support video so it's useless for me.
right now i'm digging deep into reaper heh.

Yah, I know

[3dot...]

doh ... forgot energyXT
http://www.energy-xt.com/

[JuanSOLO]

i would but it doesn't support video so it's useless for me.

your not even curious to test out one of your 200 plus track sets?
not even just a test?

[friend_kami]

i would but it doesn't support video so it's useless for me.

your not even curious to test out one of your 200 plus track sets?
not even just a test?

those tracks are mainly made for sound design for video and it's kind of worthless to try and edit audio to video since.. well. there's no video support.
i am intrigued by the performance results posted here though, and i will get to it soon when i have some time over to work on some more orchestrals.

why do you ask?
did i somehow find a sore spot?

[JuanSOLO]

why do you ask?
did i somehow find a sore spot?

no sore spot, I just remember people asking you why you were working with 200 plus tracks.
People work with Live in so many different ways, your's kind of stands out.
I work with my own style of complexity push my computer and Live to the edge a bit.

when I saw the 64bit beta I wanted to try it immediately, throw a ton of simultaneous tracks at it right away.
I did this in between working on 2 short film scores on the 32bit Live.

so just curiously asking, thats all.

[donmich]

Also, regarding everyone talking about Live being a bad ReWire slave -- something that I always see brought up is that you can't load plugins into Live, and that's why everyone hates it. But I've also seen that you can route midi through Live, and session view midi clips are boss for non-linear awesomeness.

So this is possible? On a Mac and PC?

If so, the way to do it should be made a sticky. That would almost be like a major new feature that most people arent aware of. Between 64 bit making it rewireable in 64 bit host and this..

[friend_kami]

why do you ask?
did i somehow find a sore spot?

no sore spot, I just remember people asking you why you were working with 200 plus tracks.
People work with Live in so many different ways, your's kind of stands out.
I work with my own style of complexity push my computer and Live to the edge a bit.

when I saw the 64bit beta I wanted to try it immediately, throw a ton of simultaneous tracks at it right away.
I did this in between working on 2 short film scores on the 32bit Live.

so just curiously asking, thats all.

it's just that i kind of have to work that way, since i get told to "change this layer" and "do this with that layer", so i can't really consolidate until i get told to consolidate heh.
i don't particularly like working with that many tracks either (except when doing my noise projects, in which case i do because i tend to change things around all the freaking time until i feel satisfied with the reult, this goes for live instrument recording and shit also. it's not uncommon for us to have several takes and experiment with several different settings, processing and whatnots and never actually be satisfied until the arrangement is done and we've left it for a couple of days and came back to it) because it's an organisational nightmare with live, but i'd rather do it that way than to redo an entire sound from scratch each time there's a wee bit problem with something. but when i get the time i will try and push it and see how it performs.

but as i said, right now i'm deep into reaper and in the middle of another sfx project. (re)learning reaper is fun.
i still use live on a daily basis but as a drumlibrary (session drums man ) and occasionally as a processing utility, and live with reaper is a really great combo for that.

i am very excited about this 64bit release though, especially from the performance results i've read about
right now i'm just waiting for video support so i have a good incentive to try it out properly, since i don't really have time to just fiddle around right now.

as for what donmich said, using live with reaper is great because reaper can be run side by side with live without being either master or slave and you just use rearoute from live and use reaper as your "master".
hell you can even sync them up without being limited to rewire caveats
check this out: http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=14485 ^^

[3dot...]

Also, regarding everyone talking about Live being a bad ReWire slave -- something that I always see brought up is that you can't load plugins into Live, and that's why everyone hates it. But I've also seen that you can route midi through Live, and session view midi clips are boss for non-linear awesomeness.

So this is possible? On a Mac and PC?

If so, the way to do it should be made a sticky. That would almost be like a major new feature that most people arent aware of. Between 64 bit making it rewireable in 64 bit host and this..

as said before... audio in... audio/midi out...
it's well known..

[ttilberg]

Also, regarding everyone talking about Live being a bad ReWire slave -- something that I always see brought up is that you can't load plugins into Live, and that's why everyone hates it. But I've also seen that you can route midi through Live, and session view midi clips are boss for non-linear awesomeness.

So this is possible? On a Mac and PC?

If so, the way to do it should be made a sticky. That would almost be like a major new feature that most people arent aware of. Between 64 bit making it rewireable in 64 bit host and this..

as said before... audio in... audio/midi out...
it's well known..

Right, which is why I don't see why people complain about it. If you can send Live's MIDI Out to your host, why do so many people complain? Can't you just trigger your midi clips in Live, and then the host instrument reads the midi data? Why do folks demand to load their VSTi into Live Slave, instead of your host (again, aside from using Live's instruments, audio effects processing, and having convenient labels)? If it's because everyone uses Operator, Tension and Analog exclusively, then I guess I understand. But that doesn't seem to be the usual complaint.

As I mentioned in the previous post, I don't have any other DAWs to use as a ReWire Host, so I'm not able to fully understand why it is or isn't awesome.