ableton needs to be half the price

[andydes]

I think Live 8 price should be 199 $ (Logic Express price)
and Suite may be 399 - 499 $

Right now I'am using warezed version cos I can't afford it, but for 200$ I would consider it buying. Suite is better priced if you need the stuff included (and have the money) but I don't need it.

And the update price should be no more than 59$ for sure (for non Suite)

So you can view it from this angle too. Lot's of ppl use warezed Live, coz Abes jack up prices to high. If they would make it more reasonable, more new buyers would appear.

And yes, Operator and Sampler should be included in Live non-suite version.

Or they should make smth like non-commercial discount, that would make Live twice cheaper for non-commercial use

I’m sure most people here could also do without having to pay for software, but they pay anyway. You think we buy the legit version because we’ve got so much money we don’t know what to do with it? Could you at least have the decency to hide your behaviour from the people who are subsidising you to use Live for free. Some people tend to get a little upset by this. You’re on the full suite version I assume?

Seriously, this whiney-ness is ridiculous. The sheer volume of whining threads about the price, coupons, etc is insane.

If you can't afford it, that is unfortunate. I hope that your financial situation permits you to save money and buy it soon.

If you think it's too expensive, don't buy it. Vote with your dollars and send a clearly written email to Ableton explaining why.

I am not sure what happened to our culture, but all of a sudden everyone seems to think they DESERVE to get exactly what they want exactly when they want it. Sorry folks, maybe this global recession will remind us that sometimes you have to work for things, save for things, or imagines - do without things.

I feel like an old man but when I started DJing, I couldn't afford technics. I couldn't even afford Geminis, so I practiced on my friends Geminis. Then I helped him pay for a pair of technics, which I shared. Eventually, some 5 years after I started djing, I had saved up enough money from gigs and NOT buying other stuff to afford my own Technics. I love them. I value them. Do I wish they were cheaper? Yes. Do I wish I had them earlier? Yes. Should they have been cheaper. Maybe yes, it was the 90's at that time they had been on the market for almost 20 years. Back then companies didn't really interact with their consumers, their were no forums to whine on - so you know what I did, I did without, saved, and eventually got what I wanted.

Grow up.

Lastly, why not tell Sony that you bought a PS1 and a PS2 therefore you should get a discount on a PS3? Why not tell Apple that you have had an iMac, iBook and maybe an old Quadra so you should get a discount on a Macbook? Oh yeah - you wouldn't.

Seriously, grow up.

Sorry, my one ranting response to the 8 billion threads full of whining.

I remember a few years ago trying to decide between a Virus B and a Nova. I went with the Nova because I couldn’t really justify the extra £300 even though I really wanted the Virus. Of course the Virus is still a classic, whereas the Nova sounds a bit more dated so perhaps I made the wrong choice.

What I realise now, is that I should have just broken into the shop and taken them both, along with a Nord Lead and everything else I wanted and couldn’t afford. The insurance would have covered it, so no one really loses much. Everyone else just has to pay a little bit more for their policy.

[DrXparaMental]

amazing how much easier it is to bitch and complain about something now a days......

Funny, I thought that's what contakt321 was doing..."bitching"


It's downright arrogant to attempt to be everyone's financial daddy and chastise everyone for doing something that you yourself are in the middle of. This is a forum. If people feel like bitching they are going to bitch. That's their right and I would bet Ableton is "real" enough to listen or this would be just another cubase uptight, overly moderated, forum.

Personally I am completely down with the idea of purchasing sweet 8, and no, my money is no better right now than anyone's here. But I don't think playing the role of ruler totin' schoolmarm is the answer to people's right to voice their opinion.

I believe that it's also downright foolish to disregard the notion of a coupon. If said coupon is generated by the Abes themselves, don't you believe it makes logical sense that they would want us to take advantage of it? Point seems kind of moot otherwise. 20-30 bucks off certainly won't determine whether I purchase Live 8 Suite or not, but I sure as hell ain't rich enough to just disregard the possibility.

You got a point? Make it with a little dignity and humor and not like you are futilely attempting to spank everyone because of some well deserved crisis of patience. k?

As the greatest "electric" musician that ever lived once put it: "If The Sun, Refused to Shine, I Don't Mind, I Don't Mind..."

and yeah, I cut my hair off a long time ago

[jcwillia]

i'm not sure if this question belongs here or not...

How long until Ableton spits out a version 8 LE or a version 8 Lite?

As for how much someone should charge for a product they created, I'm not really comfortable with demanding them to take down their price for me. If I think the price doesn't meet what I will get out of it, I don't buy it.

The piracy thing is an issue that is as old as money itself. If you can duplicate basic (or even complete) functionality and take something (or everything) away from the price, someone will always go for it. I think you have to look at it from the viewpoint that if you were the only user of that product it wouldn't exist because the creator couldn't afford to make it.

I admit to rhetorical arguments but Ableton is just a company trying to compete in a fairly small landscape (in the grand scheme of things). I think it's only fair that if you love what they do, you give them what they ask for.

[markos]

amazing how much easier it is to bitch and complain about something now a days......

Funny, I thought that's what contakt321 was doing..."bitching"


It's downright arrogant to attempt to be everyone's financial daddy and chastise everyone for doing something that you yourself are in the middle of. This is a forum. If people feel like bitching they are going to bitch. That's their right and I would bet Ableton is "real" enough to listen or this would be just another cubase uptight, overly moderated, forum.

Personally I am completely down with the idea of purchasing sweet 8, and no, my money is no better right now than anyone's here. But I don't think playing the role of ruler totin' schoolmarm is the answer to people's right to voice their opinion.

I believe that it's also downright foolish to disregard the notion of a coupon. If said coupon is generated by the Abes themselves, don't you believe it makes logical sense that they would want us to take advantage of it? Point seems kind of moot otherwise. 20-30 bucks off certainly won't determine whether I purchase Live 8 Suite or not, but I sure as hell ain't rich enough to just disregard the possibility.

You got a point? Make it with a little dignity and humor and not like you are futilely attempting to spank everyone because of some well deserved crisis of patience. k?

As the greatest "electric" musician that ever lived once put it: "If The Sun, Refused to Shine, I Don't Mind, I Don't Mind..."

and yeah, I cut my hair off a long time ago

I don't think he is bitching, I believe he is right. I work retail and i know how it is with the whole "customer is always right" bullshit. These days it seems like a lot of consumers have this idea in their head where they think they can bargain with every damn little price tag for every damn product they want to buy. Someone said it earlier in the forum, People want everything they can afford and can't afford but only at a price they want to pay.

What these consumers don't realize is like ableton and every other company.....they are running a business. Thats it. It's not stealing, it's not scamming, it's simply offering a product unlike anything you have every used before to generate and income and if you like it enough, chances are you will pay for it.

Ferrari makes some pretty damn amazing cars, and i want one like crazy...but do you see me writting to the CEO and saying, your cars are way to expensive for me. No i accept the fact that i will probably never have enough income to own and walk with it.

Now you are all talking about an 400 - 800 dollar purchase here, which is a pretty attainable goal to achieve in order to purchase this new software update. To me it just sounds like a lot of users want to upgrade, but can't afford too...now my question is, why aren't you all doing something about it? For example working, instead of sitting at home infront of a computer screen venting about a price tag.

i don't try to start any fights, and i think it's great a topic like this can be discussed, but i do feel a little bit of tension every time i hear or see a consumer complain about a product. I get it a lot at work.

[contakt321]

amazing how much easier it is to bitch and complain about something now a days......

Funny, I thought that's what contakt321 was doing..."bitching"

You may call my post "bitching" and I am fine with that.

I consider it "reminding folks to stop being whiney ______s because they can't have it their way, right away".

I stand by what I said and I find it interesting that my post yielded zero responses except for you saying I am bitching. I bet not a single one of you complains to anyone else about prices and expects anything to be done about it. Maybe you just do it here b/c Ableton's staff actually interacts with their community. Why not go write Akai and tell them how you owned an MPC 60, an MPC2000, etc therefore you deserve the APC40 for half price. Let us know how that works out.

Carry on whining, whiners

[DrXparaMental]

amazing how much easier it is to bitch and complain about something now a days......

Funny, I thought that's what contakt321 was doing..."bitching"

You may call my post "bitching" and I am fine with that.

I consider it "reminding folks to stop being whiney ______s because they can't have it their way, right away".

I stand by what I said and I find it interesting that my post yielded zero responses except for you saying I am bitching. I bet not a single one of you complains to anyone else about prices and expects anything to be done about it. Maybe you just do it here b/c Ableton's staff actually interacts with their community. Why not go write Akai and tell them how you owned an MPC 60, an MPC2000, etc therefore you deserve the APC40 for half price. Let us know how that works out.

Carry on whining, whiners

OK, as long as you admit that you are whining about the whiners, I'm cool.

The point is that we can't control others reactions. Calling people whiners is not going to do a thing except alienate you. All we can really do is state our own feelings, which incidentally, you did a very intelligent and succinct job of. Thing is, when you take that condescending & authoritative tone, people are just going to whine louder.

If you really consider yourself "one up", why not extend a helping hand in the form of encouragement or even an inspired smile? Bitch slapping someone is no way to straighten their tie.

me...I just can't wait to get lost in sweet 8. I got 3 days now I think before my card cycles, and then maybe another 3-5 before the box gets here. I always do the box because I like the hard manual. Easier to read wherever, and in my case, that's to say about 40 times wherever. ADD is my friend.

[markos]

OK, as long as you admit that you are whining about the whiners, I'm cool.

The point is that we can't control others reactions. Calling people whiners is not going to do a thing except alienate you. All we can really do is state our own feelings, which incidentally, you did a very intelligent and succinct job of. Thing is, when you take that condescending & authoritative tone, people are just going to whine louder.

If you really consider yourself "one up", why not extend a helping hand in the form of encouragement or even an inspired smile? Bitch slapping someone is no way to straighten their tie.

me...I just can't wait to get lost in sweet 8. I got 3 days now I think before my card cycles, and then maybe another 3-5 before the box gets here. I always do the box because I like the hard manual. Easier to read wherever, and in my case, that's to say about 40 times wherever. ADD is my friend.

this topic of "ableton should be cheaper" just doesn't make any sense to me and i think contakt321 was right in stepping up and telling everyone to stop complaining about the price because in the real world...no one cares. What difference is there between ableton and any other company ripping our limbs off for product??? Why not complain to Sony, Apple, Korg, Akai. WHy is everyone so pissed at ableton?? it just doesn't make any sense to me....

Point being is Ableton is not going to lower their prices just because you say it's too expensive. Reality is that ableton have developed a company where they spend countless hours going out of their way. Reading our posts and bettering their versions because WE ALL ASK THEM TOO. Then you guys all turn around and say "they come out with too many new updates to fast." Well truth is they do that to keep up with the needs of our community.

How can you justify complaining about a price tag that Ableton makes up for new software where they allow you to test out the program for free, report bugs, and tell them what you really want in updates for new versions, then turn around and say "oh well thats to expensive, you are ripping us off." Sounds very un-ethical to me and seems like a lot of you take advantage for what Ableton does as a respected company.

Ableton could listen a little less often, or for that matter not listen at all like some of the other billion dollar corporations and really up the tag on their products and further more not give a shit about what you have to say, but they don't....because they work hard to keep you all happy...and i think a lot of you under appreciate what it is ableton is doing.

so really we are not alienating ourselves, we are just sticking up for what ableton is and what they do for us. The ones who sit there and complain about how the company is ripping us off, or doesn't care anymore, are the ones who are alienating ableton.

[Tone Deft]

this forum is an onion of whine.

[smutek]

amazing how much easier it is to bitch and complain about something now a days......

Funny, I thought that's what contakt321 was doing..."bitching"

You may call my post "bitching" and I am fine with that.

I consider it "reminding folks to stop being whiney ______s because they can't have it their way, right away".

I stand by what I said and I find it interesting that my post yielded zero responses except for you saying I am bitching. I bet not a single one of you complains to anyone else about prices and expects anything to be done about it. Maybe you just do it here b/c Ableton's staff actually interacts with their community. Why not go write Akai and tell them how you owned an MPC 60, an MPC2000, etc therefore you deserve the APC40 for half price. Let us know how that works out.

Carry on whining, whiners

So, basically you are saying - "Stop being a whiny bitch and just shut up, lay down and take it, like a bitch" ?

Considering Ableton does actually seem to listen, and care, doesn't that make it all the more reason to speak up?

Like, if I go with 20 other regular customers to McDonalds and bitch about the increased price of an Egg mcMuffin I think that we'd have exactly zero chance of getting a price reduction on the McMuffin, regulars or not. A huge corporate monster like McDonalds doesn't recognize or care if I am a regular.

But, if I go with the same 20 people, long time regulars, to the local Mom and Pop diner and we complain about the price increase on the sausage gravy special, well, we might be able to work something out, we might not - but I guarantee you someone is going to notice and care.

[leisuremuffin]

every update its the same thing.


seriously.


every single one.

you can't afford a couple hundred bucks to upgrade your software?


get out there and suck a few dicks. shit, you could probably just suck one if you're not an ugly ass troll.
even if you're really gross you can probably still charge 10$ for one. So that's only like 20 dicks.




.lm.

[leisuremuffin]

plus, by the time you've finished washing the man chowder out of your mouth there will probably be a bug fix or two out.
not that i've encountered that many bugs. Only crashed her twice so far... seems pretty standard.




.lm.

[smutek]

plus, by the time you've finished washing the man chowder out of your mouth there will probably be a bug fix or two out.
not that i've encountered that many bugs. Only crashed her twice so far... seems pretty standard.




.lm.

So, what are you charging??

[leisuremuffin]

well, i already got my upgrade.


but i want max for live and an apc, but not enough to pay for them out of my current bankroll.
so i guess whatever that'll run me.

if anyone is in northern Maine and wants a REALLY good blowjob, send me a pm after they're released.
I'll travel for extra.



.lm.

[smutek]

[rasputin]

I would like to pile on the "anti-whiner" sentiment.

(Go back and read contakt321s post...but especially:

"I am not sure what happened to our culture, but all of a sudden everyone seems to think they DESERVE to get exactly what they want exactly when they want it."

Not all that sudden. Lots of young people I see really have an entitlement mentality. A lot of this is because of downloading cracked software, music and movies.

I have to budget for the Live upgrade this year, but it does have enough new features that I want to make it worth while. Sonar, for instance, I use a lot less and only upgrade every other major number.

Hey, Reaper is cheap, powerful and has a super active user base. If Live is too expensive, look into it. I did and actually paid for the license. (The cheaper one.)