mr.ergonomics wrote:yep, of course this word is a joke and I think all people know it here . but I guess it has become a winged word for a invisible sound degeneration no one is able to show here so far.henke wrote:btw. "brown henke dither " is a joke i once made concerning dithering algorithms. but understanding jokes is a highly complex matter, i assume....
true.. hard to reproduce but experienced by many.. all retards and lunatics of cause...
The sound degeneration on the single tracks is easy to explain..Thats when the SR conversion is allways on..even when you have tried to avoid that.. cant say when it happens..but it defently likes to happen on imported files.. possibly it happens when you try to change the speed and return to the original speed for test purposes.. that the program is loosing its transparent state than..
And its very likely that this is not a consitsant phenomen because sometimes it happens..other days its ok... allways when it matters its not ok... but that can be karma.. the karma selectiv ableton bugs.
Than we have the mix bus phenomen... mixing a handfull of tracks in live and another daw results in an more open and 3dimensional sound in the other daw.. while some people might argue that the more glued together sound of ableton live is even better the reality is that more separation and detail is what we see as the better sound quality.
There are various tricks to glue the sounds together..but you cant get more separation into a glued mix in again.
also this phenomen seems to come and go... maybe it has something to do with the insertion and removing of plug ins in the sum... or running another daw in the background..because on the ab tests on the same computer with logic it seems to pretty consistant to be there..
Or its just related to unintended SR conversion on the source tracks...
its not so easy to hear allways that it has kicked in or not.. on a saw wave syntheziser recording it might be impossible to spot while on a complete and masterd mix it just sounds shit as soon the SR kicks in.. Anyway astonishing how seemless ableton managed to switch SR conversions on and off..while running..tempo changes..as soon the correct tempo is hit hundreds of clips switch to a transparent operation again...
quite fascinating that you dont hear a click or glitch on such a stunt... in general there is very little clicking within live.. one wonders where all that smoothing gets applied...
Atually we deal with elastic audio here..can elastic audio be as precise than the stiff sample clocked audio of the other daw´s? comes the rubber with a price? According to ableton not..what would be fine.. if just these damn haluzinations wouldnt come along and make you question those statements again and again...
The last type of BHD i came along and maybe the easiest to reproduce.. DIgital insertion of a jünger hardware digital limiter via external fx plug.. biased listening? hard to exclude after so many bad experiances..or maybe logic is dithering its outputs to 24 bit and therefor such an digital 24 bit processor and 24 bit D/A conversion in general sounds better with logic than with live?
Whatever the reasons are .. The bad ableton sound rumor is not about to stop aslong all the lunatics and retards come along such phenomens.
i just asked around in personal surrounding the last week..the belive that there is something going wrong with the sound when using ableton live is around 100% here.. but ok.. just asked the 8 producers i had on the phone lately.. just.. not a single one of them thought that everything is fine..and they all own and use live.. but just on stage...
maybe we should do a poll? on gearsluts?