Ableton You Should Give Something Back To The Loyal Users!

[Johnisfaster]

I think its a shame that the gesture is being tainted by the prevelant attitude of some who feel they are owed something. and that this is that something and that its not good enough.

Complainers will forever find a reason to complain, what's sad is not that they are complaining but that any of us feel the need to have an opinion on their complaining. I haven't used Live in a month or 2 and I look in my email and see "free toy".. sweet.. why would I bother with what anyone else thinks about it?

[leedsquietman]

well ... you bothered enough to post your own reply which shows you actually DO care about what people say - either this or you're being hypocritical. If you genuinely didn't care, you wouldn't bother to post and pour some more fuel on the fire ...

Quite honestly - hands up who wants Live 9 to be delivered next month at the present time ... under the context that Live 8 has been truly fixed according to the Quality Statement by the CEO, that M4L is running bug free, as is the Serato Bridge, and that Share, a feature advertised with Live 8 and a selling point for some, has been returned fully functional ? Or just go back on your word and gouge the customers for more upgrade money ?? Until recently, this has not been Ableton's way ...

Let Ableton do what they promise and fix what is broken and no pressure to release L9, if it takes them another year to get back on track with L8 then let it be a year (and 3 extra months so people can run the software for a period of time as it was advertised before being hit up for expensive upgrades).

I'm saying this out of love for Ableton. They cannot afford any more screw ups, get the ship back on an even keel before you start redecorating the interior and watch it sink while you're doing it. I also have faith they will get it right eventually, but no need to rush.

[Johnisfaster]

If a dude says "chill. Let haters hate, don't let it get you down" do you think he cares what the haters think? That's the essence of what I was going for.

[Poster]

Quite honestly - hands up who wants Live 9 to be delivered next month at the present time ... under the context that Live 8 has been truly fixed according to the Quality Statement by the CEO, that M4L is running bug free, as is the Serato Bridge, and that Share, a feature advertised with Live 8 and a selling point for some, has been returned fully functional ?

I wouldn't mind.. if L9 would deliver some of the long term wishes such as Session automation, I'd say bring it on..
I've had zero crashes or any other real showstopper issues since the release of L8 so haven't been waiting for stability..

[leedsquietman]

Sure. But when the CEO of the company admits there's a problem to the public, then you know it's not just one man and his pet cat Freddy that are having issues with Live 8. Share was withdrawn, a feature which incentivised some people to upgrade to Live 8, Max4Live is still not where it ought to be to make an impact.

Session Automation is not likely to come in Live 9, unless they have been secretly building the program again from scratch as Robert Henke said it was not possible to do this on the present code and would require a complete rebuild from scratch, which I can't see happening yet, otherwise it would have made more sense and been easier to integrate Serato and M4L in a freshly coded program rather than sticking it onto Live 8 with duct tape, meaning that a M4L patch is probably more likely to address this in the short term and of course, only a small % of Live users have shelled out for m4l and probably don't want to spend another $300 to obtain that feature.

Of course, I could be completely wrong (I often am) but this is my take on things.

[xzusa8ky]

But when the CEO of the company admits there's a problem to the public, then you know it's not just one man and his pet cat Freddy that are having issues with Live 8. Share was withdrawn, a feature which incentivised some people to upgrade to Live 8, Max4Live is still not where it ought to be to make an impact.

Nice One......

[Poster]

Sure. But when the CEO of the company admits there's a problem to the public, then you know it's not just one man and his pet cat Freddy that are having issues with Live 8. Share was withdrawn, a feature which incentivised some people to upgrade to Live 8, Max4Live is still not where it ought to be to make an impact.

well, I answered a hypothetical question no?..
in fact, if I hadn't been visiting this forum and other places on the web for over a year I would just assume L9 being around the corner because I have had zero issues with Live..

Session Automation is not likely to come in Live 9, unless they have been secretly building the program again from scratch as Robert Henke said it was not possible to do this on the present code and would require a complete rebuild from scratch, which I can't see happening yet,

this possible rewrite could've been started some years ago far before the current state of affairs, so I don't see why Session automation could not be possible for L9..

[0fps]

I have also replied to another thread regarding Amp and its free offer to Live users.

I am surprised with the communication level that Ableton reaches with its users by this forum. Nis 's posts are not in a formal way at all and I think he speaks as honest and clear he can as an Ableton employe.

i can admit that Live is not a rock solid software, but as I have realized that's very relevant regarding the setup of each user. I also work to a school (which is an Ableton Certified Trainning Center) and I have seen Live been un-buggy for years since version 3. But I have also heard from students that they have problems.

Of course there is Reason, which is very stable (instead its not as complicated as Live/Logic/Cubase) but there is also Digital Performer (which I use a lot, and I personally consider it as one of the best daw's) which is the buggiest software I have ever seen (luckily version 7 got real good ).

[leedsquietman]

Well, no software is bug free and I too applaud Ableton for their candour in admitting that Live 8 fell short on their own expectations, let alone the experience of some customers. Machinesworking made the point that different software goes through cycles of bugginess, so yes, DP6 was horrible, as was Cubase SX and C4 (until 4.1.3), Logic 7 etc (and 9 is being a bit of an issue for some users too, esp 64 bit version which is really more 'in beta').

Yes, Ableton could have been building up a whole rewrite in the background. The biggest problem with this is that almost every other software which got recompiled from scratch is a total bugfest and a lot of things go missing. I keep referring to Cubase, but the rebuilt SX (1) while improving the audio engine significantly (taking Nuendo's audio engine) was terrible through one whole version for bugs and 2/3rd of the SX2 (SX2.2 update was significantly better then 2.0) and even SX3 had quite a number of features missing from the old VST5.1 - so your session automation is great, but there could be several kickers in a new recompiled version.

[kitekrazy]

You don't need a guitar to use an amp plugin.

If you want updates and freebies every month then go buy FL Studio. All of their updates are free and they have huge garage sales on their plugins Oh wait, FL doesn't have session view, or dedicated controller hardware, or famous people that use it!

Stop b******'.

That's not a very good argument.
Program updates are free from IL. Extras usually cost. They are also making profit this way.
If "famous people use it" is the criteria then people should be using Pro Tools.
FL users rant about wanting more free stuff as well.

[kitekrazy]

Companies once they get you locked into a system or way of working believe you will not leave so don’t have to offer loyal customers anything. When you think about car insurance is a prime example. There is no loyalty if you have been with them for 1 year or 30 years.

For companies it’s about getting new customers to use the product and the same with Ableton. But don’t moan because all software companies are the same. As a loyal Cakewalk Sonar user until last year I got jack all for starting with Sonar 3 apart from having to pay £100+ each time to upgrade.

They charge you more if you miss an annual upgrade. Unfortunately they like to tempt you with 3rd party junk.

[kitekrazy]

I've spent hundreds of pounds over the years on Cubase, Sonar, FL Studio, and various plug-ins and guess what? They all had problems and frustrated me. So, I sold those licences that I could and bought Live.

In 3 years of using Live both at home and gigging, it has never crashed on me once. I do have some CPU spiking issues, but honestly I think that is down to my crappy three year old Vaio laptop. The only other software I've used that is as stable as Live is Renoise.

So, if you are having problems with Live like I had with other software, why not do what I did and sell the problem software? Then you wont need to be frustrated anymore.

The most stable app I have is Reaper 64bit, but I have yet to be dedicated to a single app.

[milosh]

[0fps]

That's not so funny man. This man offered his lifetime to his beliefs and to some aspects that till today a lot of people fight for. Live is my favorite daw and the music instrument I love most, BUT its embarrassing to use its logo like this.

[stringtapper]

That's not so funny man. This man offered his lifetime to his beliefs and to some aspects that till today a lot of people fight for. Live is my favorite daw and the music instrument I love most, BUT its embarrassing to use its logo like this.

Damn yo, lighten up.