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dazzer wrote:

The Leveller wrote:
The problem is that the tools to make music have become accessible to everyone and affordable to everyone who owns a computer.

Oh, the fucking horror.

macmurphy wrote:The Leveller + 3phase = sense

yeah i feel stupid now. that comment in bold is just so >

i think it's great that people have access to the means to produce music. who cares if it's amateurish or not.

to be fair though they did make some good points earlier...ruined now though. oh well.

q.musgrove wrote:^make music that can't be easily imitated. ?

Am I the only one that see's this shit here!?

Like I said, if loop packs are destroying your career, you deserve it!

make music that cant be easily imitated? shall i play guitar wanker or what?

and its not that loop packs destroy my carreer...But i wonder what would have happened when theese shit packs would have been around when i ve started my carrer.
I think they highly reduce the oportunity for young artists to get thru or develop something new when all the fakes suddenly have the better production quality..deliver quickly..and allways sound the same..
So the typical A6R dickhead without much clou about the music he is dealing with might fall for the fakes.. and suddenly all records on the market sound the same..and the whole genre gets booring.. While our young intersting artist might have a carreer than when everything else is in ashes...but that can need a few years ...

FAce it..when all the fakers just would disappear from one moment to the other nobody would miss theier musical output. And Dj´s would play better music in the clubs because the find more good records each month..

chaibuka wrote:As in life taste in music is subjective. Many interviews with prog rock artist boldly tout their superior skills yet prog rock doesn't have much of an audience. On a guitar forum blues music is followed with high regard but not so much in the Ableton forum. In the 60's there was a big split between what teenagers thought was good music and the older generation thought was trash. Radio airplay is vastly different between Manhatten, NY and Tulsa, OK. Republicans and Democrats will swear on a bible that each others policies are riddled with flaws and failures. I follow the premise that music isn't exactly a contest with a score of 0 to 10. Either you like it or you don't. There isn't a monopoly on music that's correct or righteous.

you talking about fights between styles and genres.. we talking about peole that just fake a style or genre..but thanks to a new supplying industry go in the 1000´s...

especially in the rock orientetated scene fake bands dont stan much chance..as it should be..

while in the electronic music scene they try to sell the fake as the standard now.


I bet your fighting blues generations would all fight on the same side when this would happen to them

My points are valid and also great and iconic.

Loop that through your computer and stick it on Beatport.

Electronic music died years ago and is simply propped up by kids trying to emulate their parents drug experiences.

Where is the new?

Kids with no identity and nothing to rebel against = flip-flop wearing fopp haired teenagers thinking they understand what electronic music is becasue they have a computer and understand compressor thresholds.

knobs.

macmurphy wrote:
i think it's great that people have access to the means to produce music. who cares if it's amateurish or not.

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exactly.. so there is no need to spice up yor amateurish produktion with the viagra of modern fake production and just do your own amateurish music and suddenly they call it dubstep and you are a big star..happens from time to time..

Its not about the acces to production means..it about the instant creativity emulation packs ..the actually sell them as steroids for your production.
And people that use them are usually blown up fakes. And thats lame. I gues you will see that in a few years times aswell when there is no interstimg music to copy anymore around.. what you do with your shiny old loops than? Play 12 of them together and call it progressiv?

Fiddy Cent.

All that is wrong with the music industry today.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nt-gaddafi

The Leveller wrote:Electronic music died years ago and is simply propped up by kids trying to emulate their parents drug experiences.

It´s depends on how you define electronic music.

If you get the Wikipedia definition :

Electronic music is music that employs electronic musical instruments and electronic music technology in its production. In general a distinction can be made between sound produced using electromechanical means and that produced using electronic technology

If you talk about drugs, all the 60´s bands and many more was in the same hole...

3phase wrote:exactly.. so there is no need to spice up yor amateurish produktion with the viagra of modern fake production and just do your own amateurish music and suddenly they call it dubstep and you are a big star..happens from time to time..

Man... It happens ALL the time!!! There is a LOT of kids getting rich from ridiculous youtube videos and thousands of REAL musicians that plays a whole night in poor places, streets, etc for $50 bucks...

rsaulo wrote:

3phase wrote:exactly.. so there is no need to spice up yor amateurish produktion with the viagra of modern fake production and just do your own amateurish music and suddenly they call it dubstep and you are a big star..happens from time to time..

Man... It happens ALL the time!!! There is a LOT of kids getting rich from ridiculous youtube videos and thousands of REAL musicians that plays a whole night in poor places, streets, etc for $50 bucks...

And? so there is no reason to fight against dickheads than?
As more people know that the use of such loops makes them lame people, regardless wether the loop is cool or not, as better..

Actually all the lamers and copycats need the original artists from time to time because otherwise they loose the source to copy from.
They will die out once they have reached the critical mass.. and the genre will die with them..but ther will be still musicans.. returned to handplayed instruments..the inbuild copy protection.. electronic music totally devalued.. enviromental noise of the 21st century.

Selling the sneaky act of cheating a pro sounding and stylish production as a modern production standard is actually destroying the natural circle in the lamers reproductive process.
Which is based on the fact that the original artists are cool and the copy cats are lame but make safe money on the allready established roads the pathfinder original artists have found..
So a somehow natural balance... artists get the props..the lamers eat what falls from the table..and than the table itself.. so we move to a new restaurant

But now the lamers got too greedy.. they want to be cool too.. so they claim that theire doing is a representation of being modern and smart.. only dumbos dont use the shortcutrs available.. fake art as the new art..like warhol..
really funny actually when it wouldnt be so sad somehow..
Because that greedy and lazy type is actually not really intelligent.. might feel smart..even have a quick little "carrier" but who do you want to copy next?

Where are the original artists of tomorow when they cant even gain the cool props and even appear stupid by wasting time on own sounds and patches?
The lamers think they dont need the originals records anymore and lost respect..thanks to comercial loop packs, and therfore rise theire ugly head and claim to be the artists now...

But where do you think the loop makers get theire ideas from? maybe some of them even original artist that lost hope and became prostitutes..so now the original artists are the bitches and the fakes the trendy smart producers?
just like in the real world somehow.. the type that dominates politics is not so far away from that..

Anyway..
A lamer should not claim to be anything more than a lamer..

So people that use prime loops..you know what you are.. And you know that it dont makes your music more original when you dont use them.. so go along and enjoy your endproduct

3phase wrote:And? so there is no reason to fight against dickheads than?

Yes, there is a reason, you can fight, but maybe you better waste your energy making more music

3phase wrote:just like in the real world somehow.. the type that dominates politics is not so far away from that..

You got it!!!

rsaulo wrote:

3phase wrote:And? so there is no reason to fight against dickheads than?

Yes, there is a reason, you can fight, but maybe you better waste your energy making more music

3phase wrote:just like in the real world somehow.. the type that dominates politics is not so far away from that..

You got it!!!

And why ist it a waste to make more music than?

maybe i can become an expensiv loop whore 3 exclusiv 3phase loops featuring beat sequence and bass 300$ the loops will only be sold one time and hand signed... No demos and no returns
you know at which corner you can find me

if no one ever makes a cent from music every again and the sea is mucked up with so much terrible dribble that every creative output is lost (in a commercial sense) then the only people who will continue to make music eventually are the ones who fully embrace it's uselessness and love it with all their heart...

and music could use that I reckon.

macmurphy wrote:

q.musgrove wrote: Am I the only one that see's this shit here!?

Like I said, if loop packs are destroying your career, you deserve it!

nope

and

yep.

hell no!

dazzer wrote:

q.musgrove wrote:
Like I said, if loop packs are destroying your career, you deserve it!

+1

The Leveller wrote:
The problem is that the tools to make music have become accessible to everyone and affordable to everyone who owns a computer.

Oh, the fucking horror.

macmurphy wrote:The Leveller + 3phase = sense