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hmmm ich noch nicht.

More than 3 days now and still no shipping notification
And Ableton still won't let me cancel the order even though it hasn't shipped yet.
Just wanna buy it at a local shop and Ableton would still get my money.
I find this very odd behaviour.

clicktrack wrote:More than 3 days now and still no shipping notification
And Ableton still won't let me cancel the order even though it hasn't shipped yet.
Just wanna buy it at a local shop and Ableton would still get my money.
I find this very odd behaviour.

They're probably in a huge rush to prepare and ship all orders. If people start cancelling their orders left and right it's probably an organizational recipe for disaster.

Either that or they just want slightly more of your money by cutting-out the middle-man.

...for the other german folks: i got the shipping confirmatin this morning saying that it was actually shipped yesterday evening 8pm...ordered monday 2pm with trade in option...

BoddAH wrote: They're probably in a huge rush to prepare and ship all orders. If people start cancelling their orders left and right it's probably an organizational recipe for disaster.

Either that or they just want slightly more of your money by cutting-out the middle-man.

Exactly. I can totally understand that they’re swamped with orders now. But still find it a weird conduct of business that they can’t cancel an order that hasn’t been filed. It clearly says on their website: "Please allow up to 48 hours for this order to be booked and handed over to the courier for delivery”. After that I think it should be fair to cancel an order. Still love Ableton though and looking forward to Push 2

scheffkoch wrote:...for the other german folks: i got the shipping confirmatin this morning saying that it was actually shipped yesterday evening 8pm...ordered monday 2pm with trade in option...

Me next nearly, perhaps.

I ordered mine 4pm Tuesday and no shipping confirmation yet.. at least I am getting some finger-tapping practice while I wait...

I find it odd that Ableton and many retailers alike still have it in stock.

IIR, I waited almost an entire year before I was able to get my hands on Push 1 even though I wanted one from day one.

After reading from everybody how wonderful this trade-in-offer is, I would like to be a little bit logical about it:

If you really want to enable young students to make music, wouldn't it be a better idea to show them how they can do it with a 20 Euro-Midi-Keyboard and free software (like Studio One Prime)?

I mean, what happens when these poor kids leave the classroom and check out the price for the Live/Push-Deal?

Do they get a 90%-poor-student-discount? If not, most of the stuff they learned about Live and Push will be useless for them, as both are unique.

There's something diabolical about trying to attract "poor" people to one of the most expensive Software/Hardware-Bundles that's out there.

I think the main reason for this, apart from Ableton trying to reach out for potential new customers, is to give gear-horders a good feeling about spending another 500 on (minor) hardware updates.

It's like drinking beer to save the rainforest (a german brewery really had the balls to tell you that a couple of years ago).

Of course I'll still get Push2. But not now, I'll get it for free when Push3 comes out and I'm paticipating in the "Give-Your-Push2-To-Poor-And-Grumpy-Old-Men-Program".

Daniel Morgenroth wrote:After reading from everybody how wonderful this trade-in-offer is, I would like to be a little bit logical about it:

If you really want to enable young students to make music, wouldn't it be a better idea to show them how they can do it with a 20 Euro-Midi-Keyboard and free software (like Studio One Prime)?

I mean, what happens when these poor kids leave the classroom and check out the price for the Live/Push-Deal?

Do they get a 90%-poor-student-discount? If not, most of the stuff they learned about Live and Push will be useless for them, as both are unique.

There's something diabolical about trying to attract "poor" people to one of the most expensive Software/Hardware-Bundles that's out there.

I think the main reason for this, apart from Ableton trying to reach out for potential new customers, is to give gear-horders a good feeling about spending another 500 on (minor) hardware updates.

It's like drinking beer to save the rainforest (a german brewery really had the balls to tell you that a couple of years ago).

Of course I'll still get Push2. But not now, I'll get it for free when Push3 comes out and I'm paticipating in the "Give-Your-Push2-To-Poor-And-Grumpy-Old-Men-Program".

If you're a student you are eligible for an educational license, which costs way less money.

Daniel Morgenroth wrote:After reading from everybody how wonderful this trade-in-offer is, I would like to be a little bit logical about it:

If you really want to enable young students to make music, wouldn't it be a better idea to show them how they can do it with a 20 Euro-Midi-Keyboard and free software (like Studio One Prime)?

I mean, what happens when these poor kids leave the classroom and check out the price for the Live/Push-Deal?

Do they get a 90%-poor-student-discount? If not, most of the stuff they learned about Live and Push will be useless for them, as both are unique.

There's something diabolical about trying to attract "poor" people to one of the most expensive Software/Hardware-Bundles that's out there.

I think the main reason for this, apart from Ableton trying to reach out for potential new customers, is to give gear-horders a good feeling about spending another 500 on (minor) hardware updates.

It's like drinking beer to save the rainforest (a german brewery really had the balls to tell you that a couple of years ago).

Of course I'll still get Push2. But not now, I'll get it for free when Push3 comes out and I'm paticipating in the "Give-Your-Push2-To-Poor-And-Grumpy-Old-Men-Program".

Electronic music using MIDI controllers is probably the cheapest way there is to make music nowadays (as well as one of the most flexible and "powerful" and the one most youngsters are interested in).

If you want to learn most other instruments like the guitar, violin, trumpet, whatever, you're looking at at least a $ 1000 investment. At least if you want to get an instrument that isn't simply so terrible that it will suck to play on and be overall terrible for learning.

And don't even get me started on pianos or other "bigger" instruments.

Live 9 Intro + a novation launchkey can be bought for $ 150, mostly anybody (yes, even "poor" people (first/second world-poor, not third-world slum poor) already have access to a computer anyway.

The goal is to give those people a tast of what is possible using great hardware. If they like it they can then work their way up from there. Just because you let a young musicians discover music on a Steinway Grand doesn't mean they have to buy one themselves as their first instrument. You just have to give them a taste and foster an interest.

Daniel Morgenroth wrote:
If you really want to enable young students to make music, wouldn't it be a better idea to show them how they can do it with a 20 Euro-Midi-Keyboard and free software (like Studio One Prime)?

I mean, what happens when these poor kids leave the classroom and check out the price for the Live/Push-Deal?

What stops these students from getting a 20 Euro-Midi-Keyboard and free software (like Studio One Prime) after class, where they "catched fire to make music"?

Schools also shouldn't use laptops anymore because not every student can afford one for home use?

I don't get your "logic" behind that...

Im happy to take part in the 'initiative'. I think its positive all round. I wish something like it had been available when i was at school, instead of a stuffy old religious teacher getting us to sing hymns along to a crappy out of tune piano.

I dont belive in charity, and I don't see this as a charitable action, i see it as a positive initiative.

Of course it makes great business sense, but the framework is there for this kind of thing to happen. More companies should do this kind of thing.

BoddAH wrote:

Daniel Morgenroth wrote:After reading from everybody how wonderful this trade-in-offer is, I would like to be a little bit logical about it:

If you really want to enable young students to make music, wouldn't it be a better idea to show them how they can do it with a 20 Euro-Midi-Keyboard and free software (like Studio One Prime)?

I mean, what happens when these poor kids leave the classroom and check out the price for the Live/Push-Deal?

Do they get a 90%-poor-student-discount? If not, most of the stuff they learned about Live and Push will be useless for them, as both are unique.

There's something diabolical about trying to attract "poor" people to one of the most expensive Software/Hardware-Bundles that's out there.

I think the main reason for this, apart from Ableton trying to reach out for potential new customers, is to give gear-horders a good feeling about spending another 500 on (minor) hardware updates.

It's like drinking beer to save the rainforest (a german brewery really had the balls to tell you that a couple of years ago).

Of course I'll still get Push2. But not now, I'll get it for free when Push3 comes out and I'm paticipating in the "Give-Your-Push2-To-Poor-And-Grumpy-Old-Men-Program".

Electronic music using MIDI controllers is probably the cheapest way there is to make music nowadays (as well as one of the most flexible and "powerful" and the one most youngsters are interested in).

If you want to learn most other instruments like the guitar, violin, trumpet, whatever, you're looking at at least a $ 1000 investment. At least if you want to get an instrument that isn't simply so terrible that it will suck to play on and be overall terrible for learning.

And don't even get me started on pianos or other "bigger" instruments.

Live 9 Intro + a novation launchkey can be bought for $ 150, mostly anybody (yes, even "poor" people (first/second world-poor, not third-world slum poor) already have access to a computer anyway.

The goal is to give those people a tast of what is possible using great hardware. If they like it they can then work their way up from there. Just because you let a young musicians discover music on a Steinway Grand doesn't mean they have to buy one themselves as their first instrument. You just have to give them a taste and foster an interest.

I can remember starting to learn the guitar almost 15 years ago: I picked up the really old and bad-sounding acoustic guitar that my girlfriend's dad had lying around and didn't use anymore.

I spent zero money at this point. It was a real struggle to play that thing, went out of tune all the time, but now I think it was good training. When I got my first Yamaha, it felt like I was progressing and I was in guitar-heaven.

Now how would you feel if you start with a great guitar and then have to go back to some broken thing that nobody wants anymore?
I think the memory of that nice guitar in your head would put some real pressure on you to get the money in order to buy it. And if you can't get it, you'll probably give up out of frustration.

So there's some danger in this top-to-bottom-approach.

I'm starting to sound like my own dad here, but I think it's better to start at the bottom, develop some skills, find out if you're really a creative person and then start to invest in better gear.

How can you work your way up from a Steinway?

Although Steinway probably thinks it's a good idea.

If you started playing on a s**t instrument (no offense) and sticked with it, that's really admirable.

I think Jimi Jendrix started literally with some ukulele with a single string.

You're probably the exception however and unless you're convinced for some reason that you are BORN to become a musician without ever even having touched an instrument, never trying it under decent conditions or trying it with abysmally shitty stuff is probably just going to demotivate you and never giving it a shot.