conny wrote:elemental wrote:
These kinds of drugs are powerful tools we can use to further our knowledge and discover things about ourselves and the universe.
Don't know.
Get an example?
If things does not stand up in a sober state and makes sense..?
I've discovered many things when drunk, but they have much less meaning to things I have discovered sober and clear.
If so powerful, how are mankind getting forward with the help of it?
I'd like to say, let music and poetry and etc be the "drug", let us meeting be the turning point of universal enlightment; it feels soo shallow to leverage a drug of some kind to be the answer to our needs.
// C
this is the interesting question from a philosophical Point of view....
Is an experience any less valid if had during a chemical induced experience? Some see the whole human experience in terms of chemical interactions between various chemicals in the brain/body which is perfectly sensible. The whole of Psychiatry and Neurology, and probably the majority of medical science are completely ruled by this principle.
To put it one way, you may eat some broccoli and it may fill you full of vitamin C and potassium - or whatever it is for broccoli, but it wont noticably change your perception - but it may do unnoticably. You may feel slightly less depressed if you eat alot of really healthy food because you are stoking your body with good nutrients - so in a sense the taking of certain things and using them to push the chemical reactions further and encourage more extreme or far out experiences is equally as valid a part of the human experience.
The question I feel is more about the health implications - I'm sure that pushing these experiences harder you are shortening your life because you are intensifying certain points in it, so you are expending more of the resources available to you, but that should be your choice.
if you were frozen in a blizzard in eastern siberia and knew you would die so you have the choice of rationing your food and fuel to keep you warm and fed for one whole week, or having one really great celebratory last supper in front of a roaring fire. Considering the week would be spent frozen in in a blizzard contemplating your own death I think I would rather enjoy what I had left.
So it is the same for some people that they would rather enhance their experience of life and enjoy it even more fully. How this is done varies from person to person.
Canabis or LSD/Mushrooms can be enhancing drugs sometimes for some people because it can help you enjoy the more simple things in life you might otherwise be bored with. How often would a fully grown Sober adult on average spend an hour looking at an ant? On average? but they are fascinating to watch - why not?? Childern still find things like this fascinating, why do we forget?
So the thing is not everyone is not able to do things like this without drugs, but for most it is the case.
And say it means I live to my 60s or 70s and not 80s or 90s (the rolling stones are a good example of how long you can live like that) then fine.
Most people I have ever met have not been firing on all cylinders by their 80s, in fact many stop living much younger, I really dont fancy a life that consists of Soup, pension cheques and Telly.
So everything in moderation, and it's up to you what moderation means, but it is up to everyone else to decide what it means for them.
And in answer to Hambones point about drainin the NHS - maybe if you looked at a broad cross section of how people die and what it costs the NHS you might find that most deaths are costly. Not everyone just drops dead, and not everyone gets their cancers from smoking or drinking. We all die somehow and alot of the ways of doing it are probably quite costly. So why really should people not have the right to choose what they do with their days?
