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Post by henry ford » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:32 pm

forgie wrote: Why can't you people see that there is virtually no difference between the two?
your wasting your time. i raised the same point, and thats why we are discussing the VILE nature of the israeli state at the moment.

whilst raising that point, I also pointed out that i couldnt give a shit about any fundamentalist religious organisation, and am desperately against their relationship with state powers.

but shreitmel is still throwing around JEW HATER every chance he gets

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Post by forgie » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:35 pm

M. Bréqs wrote: BA in History and Asian Studies, then an MA. My Master's thesis was on the rise of anti-colonialism in Asia. I argued that the nationalist movements "overreacted", throwing the baby out with the bathwater when many nationalist movements dismantled the colonialist systems of governance (to their detriment).
Hmmm. I don't know about you, but if I was living in a 'colonised' country, I think I'd probably want to get rid of the fuckers that had been oppressing my people, and their institutions too.

I find it interesting to note that you chose to answer this point, and not my other questions regarding your hypocritical attitudes towards Israelis+Arabs.
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Post by henry ford » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:37 pm

M. Bréqs wrote: Not everyone, but here's a bit of a heads up in education. I spent 9 years of my life in university, and can tell you that in our modern academic system, there's a lot of tenured professors from the 1960s and 70s. They cemented their presence and ideology in academia, and to this day the Universities of the West are very left leaning - and a lot of these old History, Poli Sci and Sociology professors are continuing to propagate anti-Israeli sentiment. [edit: and their proteges continue to do so]. These were the men and women who were the targets of successful soviet propaganda, and we are still seeing that bias in universities.
havent you figured out that we dont give a flying shit about your alleged academic success ? we are concerned with facts, and all you can bring to the debate is that you've been to mensa and studied here and did that and coldwar and propaganda and a BILLION muslims....

you are so full of shit

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Post by shtreimel » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:40 pm

henry ford wrote:
oh, feel free to email some of your ;zionist; horseshit to:
[email protected]
Ah yes..the Guardian…a bastion of truth and unbiased reporting.
See:
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediao ... ardian.asp

Chris, if I’d knows you worked for the Guardian I wouldn't have wasted typing energy responding to your idiocy. Having said that, I'll leave you with the fantasy that Israel targets children in their campaign for Middle East expansion and global domination. There...you heard it straight from a Jew.

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Post by shtreimel » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:43 pm

henry ford wrote:i suppose the credibility of 'the guardian's reporting will be called into question next
Uh yeah. See post above.

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Post by forgie » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:43 pm

henry ford wrote:
forgie wrote: Why can't you people see that there is virtually no difference between the two?
your wasting your time. i raised the same point, and thats why we are discussing the VILE nature of the israeli state at the moment.
Hey henry ford, you wanna go for a 'virtual beer'? Discuss philosophy, the future of humanity etc (and lol, the performance problems in Live 5)? I don't think these people really 'get it' as to why we think the way we do. They take this as a battle of the egos, a personal battle in which ones ideology must be defended at all costs, irrelevant of truth, logic, and fact (and lets be honest, none of us know many 'facts' at all in regards to most of this stuff, we simply have to extrapolate what we can from the world around us).

Oh, and I can see the US is stepping up its anti-Iran propaganda campaign. Rings bells of the pre-Iraq period.... Iraq, Iran.... Venezuela will be next. Oh, wait, the US would never invade a country and falsify a pretext for invasion, since they aren't 'evil' whereas the country they're invading are.... can't you people see that ALL HUMANS ARE ALIKE. WE ALL DO WHATS IN OUR OWN INTERESTS (with the exception of the compassionate few, something sorely lacking in our current society). THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MUSLIMS KILLING JEWS AND JEWS KILLING MUSLIMS. IT'S ALL HATRED/POLITICALLY FUELED MURDER. NO DIFFERENCE. DO YOU COMPREHEND? DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH? To quote Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction: "ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER? DO YOU SPEAK IT?"

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Post by shtreimel » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:46 pm

forgie wrote:Do you think that these people are willing to fight for the rights of all people, but harbour a secret racism against Jews, or what?.
Yes:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Re ... sp?ID=7499

And the UN as well:
http://www.eyeontheun.org/view.asp?l=22&p=165

Next.

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Post by shtreimel » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:49 pm

forgie wrote:I am also anti state-terror, that is terror that is committed in the name of political motivations, not religious ones, which is something that the US and Israel are guilty of.

Why is this so hard for people to accept?
Forgie,

You sound like a priest preaching to an empty church with a sermon entitled:
"God exists, Why can't you see that?" Just becaue you say it's so, don't make it true.

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Post by forgie » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:49 pm

shtreimel wrote:Next.
I'll read your links, but does your response actually make any logical sense? I mean playing the game of 'Google hunter' is all very fun, and I'm sure you feel like the real academic and all, but we've got brains so we can use them (actually that's arguable, we've got brains so we can shag and make more brains, but I digress). Seriously think about what I said and try and see it out of context. Why would people, all over the world, single out a single race of people and be racist towards them.... why them? Why no one else? Because they don't, dumbass. Try asking someone with half a brain and an open mind this question and they'd be able to tell you that your conclusion doesn't make logical sense.
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Post by henry ford » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:52 pm

for the benefit of those only reading, and not posting, allow me to demonstrate shtreimel's hypocracy. shtreimel gave me an ultimatum, he told me to prove my claims that the idf kill children in cold blood. he gave me the following stipulations
Your mission is to produce legitmate evidence of IDF soldiers intentionally killing children (CNN, CBC, CTV, BBC...etc will do. Please spare us much time and don't post links to Jew hating and/or Islamist sites). If you can't come up with those links, perhaps you should apologize and agree that your whacked ideas have more to do with hate then with history. Hm? Ok Henry, start googling....
now, he eventually made the following glib statement , i assume in response to what I delivered
shtreimel wrote:
henry ford wrote: [email protected]
Ah yes..the Guardian…a bastion of truth and unbiased reporting.
See:
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediao ... ardian.asp

you may find it interesting to note that, on the front page of www.aish.com it reads
Aish HaTorah is a non-profit, apolitical network of Jewish educational centers, with 25 branches on 5 continents. Aish provides opportunities for Jews of all backgrounds to discover the beauty and meaning of their heritage in an atmosphere of open inquiry and mutual respect. Click here to read more about Aish HaTorah.
and you can also see

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now, you see, I'm forbidden to source my information from islamist material (which is fair enough - i do claim to be unbiased), but shreitmel the fucko...well, he tries to debunk the journalism of the guardian by sourcing jewish material.

so you see....its quite clear, he;s an abhorrent piece of shit ? or is my hatred of jews causing me mild dimentia ? (that is satire, by the way.)

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Post by henry ford » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:54 pm

shtreimel wrote:
henry ford wrote:i suppose the credibility of 'the guardian's reporting will be called into question next
Uh yeah. See post above.
ugh, you cocky son of a bitch. I had posted that before you even , hypocriticaly, posted that link to www.aish.com

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Post by shtreimel » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:55 pm

henry ford wrote:as for your ultimatum, I believe I delivered.
Cute. You delivered sewage from a paper that treats Israel just a little worse that Al Jazeera.

henry ford wrote:you fucking cunt.
henry ford wrote:you piece of dirt.
Do you think of I keep badgering this guy I'll get a Seig Heil. I do ;)

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Post by henry ford » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:58 pm

hehe, once again completely ignoring anything valid i put to you. hypocrit.

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Post by sweetjesus » Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:58 pm

it's obvious politics is a major problem on this forum...

lets not get further into it and all focus on the unifying factor.

i find it amazing that so many people from all walks of life have come together through a product such as Live... that's what its all about and lets keep it this way.

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Post by shtreimel » Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:01 pm

forgie wrote:I don't know about you, but if I was living in a 'colonised' country, I think I'd probably want to get rid of the fuckers that had been oppressing my people, and their institutions too.
Well watch out Americans/Canadians becuase according to Forgie, your scalp shall be hanging from lamposts in downtown Ottawa and Washington.

Oh Forgie...quick history lessons:
1) Jews have been living in Israel for thousands of years.

2) They were kicked out of their homeland twice (after the 1st and 2nd temples were destroyed)

According to your logic they should've returned to Palestine and went on a killing spree. Of course, we know this didn't happen. But your logics a little fuzzy that's all.

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