Ableton! Tighten the Sequencer!

Discuss music production with Ableton Live.

Tighten up the Sequencer?

YES - needs tune up
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52%
NO - nothing wrong
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48%
 
Total votes: 77

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Post by forge » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:06 am

forgie wrote:So is the conclusion of this thread that we should petition Ableton to tighten up the "loose" midi timing? :P "WE WANT 10ns MIDI ACCURACY! WE WANT 10ns MIDI ACCURACY!" (with knotkranky leading the charge :))

I seem to remember kk saying something along the lines of "improving it is better for everyone"..... maybe not if improving something that doesn't need fixing costs Ableton man-hours, and ends up increasing Live's CPU usage.

What's the point of this thread again?

Have we all agreed that Live doesn't have a problem? Or is there still doubt? I'm not being a fanboy, I just want some hard cold evidence here: if anyone is having issues, post a sample of the problems, and list your setup. That way we can all learn about what's actually causing these MIDI issues.
mercyplease went out to prove it is not specifically Live causing this problem

although the original poster I think disagreed, but I'm not completely sure what in fact he was experiencing, after that big lot of stuff he pasted he seemed to be suggesting there is some kind of automatic "humanise" in Live that he wants to switch off

he clearly felt he was experiencing some kind of sloppiness and not experiencing it in FLS or EXT

Then other people are saying they dont get it

so is there a conlcluision? Do Ableton really need to care?

or is it a case of how can improvement, even if not really asked for ever be a bad thing?

the point Knotkranky made about MTC was a good one - "tumbledry"'s posted stuff said 96ppqn was as tight as midi can get - yet MOTU are claiming a blistering 10000ppqn for their MTC technology!

so where does that leave us?

I think the ball is in the original poster's court to spell it out a bit more clearly what he is experiencing!

:D

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Post by b0unce » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:13 am

forge wrote:
mercyplease went out to prove it is not specifically Live causing this problem
man, you are dense.

mercy please isnt claiming to experience midi slop. knotkranky is. so somethings wrong with knotkranky's setup.

when I'm sick, i dont send a house-mate to the doctor to get a checkup - I GO.

do you get it?!?

knotkranky is the one who needs to post some test results, not mercyplease.
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Post by forge » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:23 am

b0unce wrote:
forge wrote: did you follow mercypleases link? he did one and props to him for that
oh brother. :roll:

ya he did do a test, but MERCYPLEASE ISNT THE SHMUCK CLAIMING TO EXPERIENCE MIDI SLOP - THATS WHY WE NEED KNOTKRANKY'S HARD EVIDENCE, SIMPLE AND ALL AS IT SHOULD BE TO PRODUCE.

this discussion has degenerated into bootlicking and google-whoring.
and like forgie said, this thread is MUCK until knotkranky hosts a zip containing some simple midi/audio files illustrating the difference between live's midi sloppiness compared to something less sloppy.

which, as some of us know, wont happen.....knotkranky will just piggyback his way out of this argument, like he's tried to already by emphaticaly agreeing with forges post about mercyplease posting a test - and simultaniously appealing to mercyplease's sensibilities with flattery.

knotkranky, you've been outed as a shite-hawk. And thats all you will remain to be until you illustrate to us with some hard-evidence the midi slop you speak of. enough of the googling midi articles already.
couple of things - Mercypleases test wasnt worthless because it showed that it is at least possible for Live to be totally tight (actually I'm just taking his word on that I didnt look)

the only one I've seen so far claiming "midi slop in Live" was this "tumbledryer" guy and it's his test we need - if we really want it, but I wasnt following the thread so much that I know every word knotkranky wrote, but I did read quite alot, including that SOS article

3rdly - this is a discussion about MIDI, it's not really essential for you to pick a side and then cling to it ferociously, fighting your corner

you dont learn anything that way

there are alot of interesting points getting thrown back and forth and the way you are reacting is to find the first thing you can have some kind of emotional response to and youre not reading any of the points people are making


why do you hate the world so, bounce?

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Post by b0unce » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:26 am

:roll:

more excuses.
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Post by b0unce » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:27 am

by the way forge, why are you such a fag ?
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Post by forge » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:28 am

b0unce wrote:by the way forge, why are you such a fag ?
now I am totally convinced you are a pubescent teenager who rather than arguing with his mother comes to this forum

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Post by b0unce » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:33 am

lol, thanks for proving how right I am.
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Post by forgie » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:33 am

Just in case anyone is wondering what knotkranky actually said:
knotkranky wrote:No worries lm. You are fortunate to be happy with the way things are. But some of use need it better and that would be no foul to you.
"Some of us need it better."

That's pretty clearly stating that there IS a problem, at least according to knotkranky. Forge, why are you standing up for him? He clearly said "need it better", as though there is some problem which is causing people serious grief. We were saying that we don't think there IS a problem in Live's timing, but if he could prove otherwise we would be happy to listen. I'm not sure what else I can say. :?

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Post by forge » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:44 am

forgie wrote:Just in case anyone is wondering what knotkranky actually said:
knotkranky wrote:No worries lm. You are fortunate to be happy with the way things are. But some of use need it better and that would be no foul to you.
"Some of us need it better."

That's pretty clearly stating that there IS a problem, at least according to knotkranky. Forge, why are you standing up for him? The guy's arguments are all over the shop.
dude I'm not standing up for anyone - the guy did raise some good points, so did mercyplease - and that's the first time I've agreed with him on anything

why are we on sides here??

he wasnt the one who started the thread - he didnt really say anything that offensive either that I could see - what is the problem?? I guess you all apparently have some kind of history with knotkranky

why are you choosing that tiny bit of one lline he said over the original poster who brought the damn thing up??? HE'S THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE DOING THE FREAKING TEST

If anyone bloody cares by now

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Post by b0unce » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:49 am

because knotkranky insisted he was right.
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Post by forge » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:51 am

b0unce wrote:lol, thanks for proving how right I am.
:lol:

to who bounce?

is you're girlfriend watching over your shoulder giggling with delight everytime you drop anuvva bomb on the Ableton forum!

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Post by b0unce » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:55 am

heh, nice try Mr Panty.
I wont join you in hijacking the thread for a flame-exchange.

lets stick to the topic shall we, lets have some evidence illustrating ableton lives midi slop compared to something less sloppy. Or else lets have the nay-sayers concede.
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Post by forgie » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:57 am

Ok, well it seems as though every individual person here is unwilling to give up enough ground to make a proper conversation happen. I'm out for good.

I hope you guys sort something out.

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Post by b0unce » Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:05 pm

<forge impression>
thoughtful introspective on group-think, followed by open invitation for a circle-jerk.
</forge impression>

<knotkranky impression>
i emphatically agree with forge, by the way here's the proof you've been asking of me
http://www.google.ie/search?q=midi+timi ... S:official
</knotkranky impression>


I'm out, someone let me know if knotkranky actually redeems himself on this one - or if pigs fly, whichever happens first.

cheerio!
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Post by john gordon » Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:02 pm

sorry to interupt,but-mpc1000 :) :) :) :) :) :)

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