Jerry Falwell dead. Hooray!

[djadonis206]

Premier Bush


in Kazakhstan we say bush mean the hair, around the vaghem

and in Kazakhstan we say Barbara mean to eat

so when we hear Barbara Bush we think it mean to eat around the (hahahahahahhahahahahhahaha)


South Parks funny and all but I've seen them ALL (except for Jared has aides) at least 10 times each - plus I didn't find the last few episodes of the last new batch that funny (I think I blew a funny fuse) - I've been hooked on Law and Order(s) and THE SOPRANO'S <--> damn these last episodes are intense, innit


Right, speaking of South Park this Jerry thing falls off season (MAY) the next set of new episodes starts in October so unless he comes back to life I doubt we'll see a SP episode on the subject of Jerry F.

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yo u got a clip for me?

pz
been cable-less since 1995.

my bad...he says Bush mean the hair around the "testie"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVEjdeChYNE

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JF was a cuntsore, a cocksod, a deutschenard, a felcher AND a crook....but the fact that anyone was stupid enough to listen to him is the real crime......

I cannot Hate those who believe in any kind of religion, even if that religion is spreading hate and intolerance since years and years.

I think the real criminals are those who exploit the believers in any way and this is the exact case of Jerry Falwell.

After all he said and did I really don't see any good reason for not enjoying his death.

Death after all is something normal and a part of the life cycle.He was not murdered, he just died.

Without any human violence, the world became a better place without him even if there is tons of people like him across the planet.

[R.J.Dubya]

ya ya, celebrating death is bad etc.

It's so obviously the "right" thing not to wish death on someone, and sometimes I feel as though I guilt myself into not feeling happy when some evil fucker dies and try not to think anything. I don't know about you guys, but I feel like I'm fooling myself if I try to believe that.

It's simple really. I wouldn't kill him, because I wouldn't want it on my conscience. But I don't see what's wrong about being glad someone is dead who obviously makes the world, my world, a more evil place.

People don't suffer in death, they suffer in life. And come to think of it, if i had the power to snap my fingers and remove an evil person from the planet who continually contributes to mass suffering, without consequences, well I'm not so sure sometimes that I wouldn't use it. Who am i to judge? Don't know, don't care, but I care about empathy, and mine vanishes for those that have none.

Call me a hypocrite, I'm glad he's gone.

[smutek]

Falwell wasn't a christian. Not by christian standards atleast. I do understand what you are saying though. I notice a lot of people jumping on christians mainly because they are christians.

Personally I'm not a Christian myself, but I have no problem with Christians.

Yeah, being a leader of a 24,000 member church he started, a christian university, a christian radio station, a christian candidate for president. You're not a christian yet you're imposing your standards of chrisitanity on him?? You're in serious denial. I understand, they scare me too.

I don't know man, maybe I am imposing standards on the guy but I am certainly not in denial. Not even sure how that applies to my statement.

I'm not a Christian but I have read the bible twice, of my own free will too - imagine that! I've found that what a lot of people practice and call christianity runs contrary to some of the core principles of the religion; compassion, understanding, forgiveness, humility, tolerance, acceptance... etc.

I've actually found that all of the core principles behind christianity, and really a lot of other religions, match very closely my own core moral/spiritual beliefs and goals. It's not that different really, I just don't give a name to my god, other than god.

2 of the most influential people in my life are christians. They are extremely open minded and good people. Neither of them ever try to "convert" me, or save me, or anything of the sort, and they both know that I am not a christian. They have their beliefs and values and they try to live them to the best of their abilities. They believe in leading by example I suppose one could say.

One of them is the Lutheran pastor that married my wife and I. I have always had, and still have, a serious aversion to organized religion. I have so much respect for this man that I consulted him on some spiritual matters that were troubling me last summer. And again, he knows I am not a christian. I went to the church every Saturday for a few months to speak with him and bounce my ideas off him. We met privately for a number of weeks and, with the exception of asking me if I'd like to pray with him at the end of our talks, never once did he mention the word Jesus, try to "save" me, convert me, or anything of the sort.

As I got older my distaste of organized religion has not went away, but I have learned to distinguish between the people and the insitution. People who blindly criticize chrisitanity however, to me, are pretty much the same as the cats who blindly spread it, and no different than the cats that criticize and stereotype Islam.

One and the same. The same ignorance and fear, just directed at different targets.

So in a nut shell that's the way I see it.

The reasons I did not like Falwell were pretty much the same as you though. he was not a christian, he was the epitome of the institution, a millionare political operative, an exploiter and a manipulator.

He wasn't about what the religion is about, least not the way I see it.

[jamester]

It is pretty much a given that most "Christian" leaders do not actually follow or preach the teachings of Jesus. Jesus becomes the central figurehead, the "face" of their teachings, but what they are preaching is actually not what Jesus taught, but rather things cherry-picked from the rest of the Bible which fits their own personal moral agenda.

I'm an atheist, but I fully respect the teachings of the character of Jesus in the Bible. And while that character is considered "radical" in the context of the book, the truth is that what he is teaching is found in other religions and spiritual books that predate the Bible by a longshot. I would even argue that most of what he taught was "common sense", but we all know that that's something most people don't have.

[cosmosuave]

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[smutek]

It is pretty much a given that most "Christian" leaders do not actually follow or preach the teachings of Jesus. Jesus becomes the central figurehead, the "face" of their teachings, but what they are preaching is actually not what Jesus taught, but rather things cherry-picked from the rest of the Bible which fits their own personal moral agenda.

I'm an atheist, but I fully respect the teachings of the character of Jesus in the Bible. And while that character is considered "radical" in the context of the book, the truth is that what he is teaching is found in other religions and spiritual books that predate the Bible by a longshot. I would even argue that most of what he taught was "common sense", but we all know that that's something most people don't have.

Well said.

[Tone Deft]

It is pretty much a given that most "Christian" leaders do not actually follow or preach the teachings of Jesus. Jesus becomes the central figurehead, the "face" of their teachings, but what they are preaching is actually not what Jesus taught, but rather things cherry-picked from the rest of the Bible which fits their own personal moral agenda.

I'm an atheist, but I fully respect the teachings of the character of Jesus in the Bible. And while that character is considered "radical" in the context of the book, the truth is that what he is teaching is found in other religions and spiritual books that predate the Bible by a longshot. I would even argue that most of what he taught was "common sense", but we all know that that's something most people don't have.

Well said.

Well said both of you, eloquent as always.

Maybe it's that there's the philosophy and then there's the institutions that act as community centers around that philosophy and the power hungry lunatics that run SOME of them. A common phrase is "I'm spiritual but not religious" which I take to be the call of the disenfranchised former members of an organised religion. People who embrace the religion but can't stand the institutions they've tried.

Where was I coming from... What is Christianity in America today? Shortly into that conversation Falwell will probably come up as a MAJOR religious leader. How many people attended his church, university, speaches or watched his TV network. Millions? Do they think he's a Christian? Do they think he's in heaven yucking it up with Oral Roberts and Jesus? I would say most definitely yes. In that light came the douche baggy remark of smutek in denial, Christianity in America today has a LARGE segment that loved, followed and trusted Falwell and they scare the hell out of me, I truly hope they rise above his evil and we can all get along better than we have in the last 20 years. So, in that light Falwell is very much a christian.

Smutek's example of talking to a minister about life is a great example of how a church can be a positive community center. I grew up in a number of churches, they all seemed to have some level of evil underneath - gossip, a date raper, a pedophile, people arguing about saving someone's soul, people sleeping around, drug addicts, I've seen all that hypocrisy. But I endorse churches in general because they are good community centers that do a lot of positive.

Then again, I think the rapture happened back in the 70s, a handlful of pure and innocent African tribespeople vanished into heaven, the rest of us are in pergatory. OK by me, I don't know if I can download Cov Ops pathes in heaven or hell.

Best to not take any of it too seriously.

[jackjack]

no fucking way!! Did you actually mention Live or music in one of your posts.

Dude, stfu and contribute to on-topic shit, or use your real name in this bullshit. There is something to be said about having a healthy on-topic to off-topic ratio, if everyone was like you this forum would be a shit resource.

I suppose you are talking about me? This is probably the first off topic shit I've ever posted. Feel free to do a search.

I'm just tired of all the bullshit when I try to read the forum. I finally gave up. I'm going to contribute to every stupid off topic politcal rant on here. Hopefully ableton will make it better for us all and make an off topic forum.

[jackjack]

Death to intolerance.

Please clearly explain what you mean by "intolerance".

Dude, what's it gonna be? Lock down the thread or reply to your q?

I mean tell me exactly what YOU call intolerance. And not some vague crap about hate, etc.

I want real examples of how you think the world should be. Explain your ideal world were we all get along and nobody disagree's with anyone else.

Maybe I've got you all wrong (and if so I apologize) but so many people throw around the word "intolerance" and have no idea what they are asking for.

Example, people said Imus (the radio host) was intolerant. I only saw the guy a few times on MSBNC (and quickly switched) but in the end, millions of people who apparently listened to the guy now cannot because certain people called him intolerant. Was he a racist? a (lame) comedian? i don't know. but I do not that for the sake of "tolerance" free speach was thrown out the window.

Again, sorry if I've got you all wrong.

[eyeknow]

man, I thought my "un-PC" little nasty-combos were funny......in a nice little 3 year old way.....

[leisuremuffin]

nobody arrested imus and hauled him off in chains.



i'm free to tell my boss that she's a horse-faced shit bird if i want to, but it doesn't mean i won't get fired for it.




.lm.

[eyeknow]

man, my dick is still hard over this Jhendrix AT edition....fuckin great with live too......

[eyeknow]

JF was a cuntsore, a cocksod, a deutschenard, a felcher AND a crook....but the fact that anyone was stupid enough to listen to him is the real crime......

I cannot Hate those who believe in any kind of religion, even if that religion is spreading hate and intolerance since years and years.

I think the real criminals are those who exploit the believers in any way and this is the exact case of Jerry Falwell.

After all he said and did I really don't see any good reason for not enjoying his death.

Death after all is something normal and a part of the life cycle.He was not murdered, he just died.

Without any human violence, the world became a better place without him even if there is tons of people like him across the planet.

I forgot to respond to this.....yes........um, and yes?

[jackjack]

nobody arrested imus and hauled him off in chains.

.lm.

of course not. still the choice of millions(?) of people to listen to him has been removed because certain people did not like what he had to say.

You are 100% correct - his employers had every right to fire him. However it is very certain that he was only fired do the calls of intolerance. The guy had certainly said much worse in the past from what I've read.

My point is simply this: the seemingly good desire to wipe out hate and intolerance leads only to slavery for all. Like it or not, hate is here to stay.