Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:49 pm
smutek wrote:Stop being so general, you make yourself look like a racist. All white people don't think this way, and a lot of white people have no problem with giving credit where credit is due, regardless of race.JahGuide wrote:The idea that blacks invented something SCARES the shit out of white people. Why? It negates the idea that we are inferior and whats more terrifying than that to white people.
Let's see - just yesterday in two separate documentaries I watched about the history of techno. Not that I didn't know this already, but I'll watch and re-watch anything that has to do with techno.JahGuide wrote:When was the last time you heard blacks given credit for house, techno etc.
In-fact, pretty much any techno head, be they black white yellow gold or brown will tell you that the movement was started by blacks.
I do concede that outside of EDM heads it's pretty much considered "white music", even by blacks - at-least in America. A guy I used to work with used to joke me about that "white boy shit" I would listen to all the time. I had to actually explain to him that it started with three black guys from Detroit. Four if you count Eddie Fowlkes.
Actually I do. I had a girl in one of my classes a couple of years back that told me Dub started with Sublime. I didn't even bother to respond.JahGuide wrote: For example I was reading a magazine the other day that said Phil Spector invented Dub Music.
No it's not, hip-hop is no longer "black music" any more than techno, house, blues or jazz are. All of them started as black music, and I agree 100% that the utmost props and credit needs to go to the pioneers, but it is the worlds music now.JahGuide wrote:Hip Hip is not the worlds music. Its black music period. This is how this shit gets started. Blacks cant claim Indian music as their own so how the hell Hip Hop is now the worlds music.
Maybe we disagree on semantics. I don't know. But if you insist on calling any of this "black music" then I will be the first to tell you I love black music. But I like to think of it as universal music, a positive potentially unifying force. Pioneered by blacks certainly, and eventually adopted and contributed to by people all over the world. And I don't believe that is taking anything away from the culture or race that originated the particular sound, because I will be the first to tell anyone where the music came from.
I think you are exaggerating a bit. But, I do feel that a lot of people, white people especially, forget that black slavery isn't exactly ancient history, that the civil rights movement in America, Klan lynchings, open segregation etc. were a fact of life just 50 years ago, and that racism is still flourishing in America. Personally I don't think anyone has been dealt a worse card than the palestinians - not in todays world. But that's another thread.JahGuide wrote:Not to mention blacks are still the most hated people on the planet, wherever we go we are despised and hated.. GIVE me a break.
I'm sure you know this, but whites aren't the only ones guilty of racism. I learned that first hand as a heroin addict living in the ghettos of Baltimore's east side for 5 years, and in Baltimore's city jail.
Having grown up as one of the few (for lack of better terms) "open minded liberal" white people in an all white extremely racist neighborhood, it actually came as quite a shock to me to learn that a lot of black people hated me for no other reason than because I was white, regardless of my morals or politics.
But I digress.
Let me ask you. I feel strongly that hip hop is the perfect vehicle for spreading political and social awareness to poor and oppressed people all over the world, regardless of race. The perfect vehicle to educate and effect change. In America, any artist with such a message will never get radio play.
We know all too well what kind of artists get radio play. the message being spread through (mainstream) hip-hop to the masses is bullshit, bitches sluts guns money ho's, complete garbage. A message of ignorance spoon fed to an ignorant audience. The audience is white, black, asian, hispanic, middle eastern, and so on, but I really think the greatest damage is being done to the black community, especially given the state of America's cities (at-least the one I live in).
Who's responsible for this tragedy? Does all of the blame go to the white elite that own the radio/television stations and record companies, or does it go to the black artists who are capitalizing on, perpetuating, and spreading this bullshit?
I'm not asking that question in a provocative manner, I am generally interested to hear what you think, and what the solution may be.
Personally I think the media executives are the more sinister of the two, but the artists need to be held to account as well. Hip-hop should be building communities, especially the black community, but the package sold to the main stream is doing the exact opposite. There's no message in mainstream hip-hop.
"The most dangerous racist is an unconscious one"-KRS One
I wont say more on this matter. Its useless
