wahhhhhhh, i want my MPC back :(

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:39 am

john gordon wrote: at first the 16/44 thing bothered me,but then i thought if its good enough for RZA then its good enough for a wanker like myself..

How does it sound? I read a little about it—that it can do real time stretching and can match tempos and all that. Does that process sound good on that machine? Is it as easy to create loops on the fly as it is with Live? How about the synthesis—does it sound pretty good?

I'm interested somewhat. TIA for any insight!

KU · Post by KU » Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:54 am

I said this way back in the thread...

samples played back on the mpc sound different and sit in a mix better than software. doesn't matter if you have RME converters or a mid bump with your SSL plugin. there is mojo coming out of those stereo master outs. this is an obvious difference to my ears - not a subtle one. this isn't my imagination or the imagination of many seasoned beatmakers.

it is dedicated independent computer for your drums...

there is a lot of variables there including audio summing, cables, and d/a. even the hard drive your audio is on can affect the way your audio ends up sounding.

every little thing effects everything.

take the electric guitar. eric johnson and other stratocaster freaks know that the Tone is in the details of every screw and minisucle detail... not just the pickups and the wood... but the frets, the age and condition of the lacquer... everything.

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:15 am

KU wrote:even the hard drive your audio is on can affect the way your audio ends up sounding.

What are you on about!? I'd love to hear your reasoning behind that.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:22 am

KU wrote:even the hard drive your audio is on can affect the way your audio ends up sounding.

Err. No.

Well, in a metaphysical sense, where the delays that a slower HD will give you will subtly affect your workflow and make the end result different, sure.

But in a Hitachis sound better than Seagate, or audio coming off a 10K drive is 'tighter' than a 15K drive? Bollocks. Either the ones and noughts get off the drive in time to fill the output buffer or they don't. If they don't you'll have dropouts, if the buffer's read wrong you'll have even worse artifacts. But the ones and noughts are the same no matter what you store them to.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:35 am

KU wrote: take the electric guitar. eric johnson and other stratocaster freaks know that the Tone is in the details of every screw and minisucle detail... not just the pickups and the wood... but the frets, the age and condition of the lacquer... everything.

In my almost 9 years of music making and almost four years of playing guitar, I have never heard anyone say that screws make a difference to the sound of a guitar.

Look, I know you mean well, but you gotta be accurate with this stuff, because you're not helping by making grand and flippant comments like these.

J.Daniels · Post by **J.Daniels** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:40 am

The only thing that an MPC is beneficial for these days is the workflow.
I bought Guru, Live 6 and an MPD24 and now i have an MPC workstation on steroids(and much mroe ofcourse). and this is for less than an MPC1000, which has terrible pads(apparently)

and when i need that MPC "sound", i can just filter my tracks through a boss sp-303 sampler which provides a nice grimy sound as the result of its compression and cheap converters.

Akai need to step there game up big time, because i dont understand how they can release such ancient technology at astronomical prices!

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:52 am

J.Daniels wrote:because i dont understand how they can release such ancient technology at astronomical prices!

Because people like the people in this thread go nuts about MPC's for their own little reasons, and Akai manage to make them pay the rediculous prices, Akai know that you lot will pay through the nose for your little reasons, and they're exploiting that fact. No way does it cost a grand or so to make one of these units.

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:48 am

"In my opinion" the MPC's haven't been the same since Roger Linn. Since then Akai has just been banking on the reputation that Linn's original MPC's stamped on the industry.

HYpe! Myths! PUNCHY! phat! TiGht, SwiNg! GroOvE! BLA BLA BLA! The MPC has got to be the single most overly hyped completely blown out of proportion piece of gear EVER. I don't mean to generalize but my experience is that a lot of the die hard MPC fans that talk is this bla bla about punch this and swing that, aren't basing their beliefs from experience of making music with all sorts of different gear, so much as they are basing their beliefs off of what there favorite rappers talks about on TV or what they have in their studios. Thinks for your selves.

My guess is if this thing ever becomes a reality it will be 500 times the instrument the MPC ever could be... designed and created by 2 of the most influential & sickest instrument designers of all time. And I'm willing to bet it will still never reach the colossal over hyped status the MPC has.

minimal · Post by **minimal** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:50 am

KU wrote:even the hard drive your audio is on can affect the way your audio ends up sounding.

thanks dude you really made my day
that was really funny

oh my dear

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:02 am

For Sale: Gold plated 15000 rpm 500GB Western Digital harddrive.
Because sound matters....

Price: Your firstborn child or the 8th son of your 8th son.

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:11 am

Amberience wrote:
KU wrote: take the electric guitar. eric johnson and other stratocaster freaks know that the Tone is in the details of every screw and minisucle detail... not just the pickups and the wood... but the frets, the age and condition of the lacquer... everything.
In my almost 9 years of music making and almost four years of playing guitar, I have never heard anyone say that screws make a difference to the sound of a guitar.

Look, I know you mean well, but you gotta be accurate with this stuff, because you're not helping by making grand and flippant comments like these.

Actually I have built guitars/basses for some of the worlds most well known guitar manufacturers.. namely Taylor Guitars, and he is right to some extent. Many many things factor into the the "sound" of a guitar. Some of the obvious like the woods and thickness of woods... and some of the less obvious like the finish and thickness of finish, although stuff like the finish on an electric guitar such as a Strat would be FAR less important as on an acoustic instrument. BUT! If someone could HEAR something like a difference in screws or fret metals or stuff like that I'd be AMAZED! Not to mention jealous. If someone had ears that good I'd simply take their word for it that MPC's are the best. And finally maybe its just me but I'm not seeing the comparison between a finely tuned hand crafted instrument like a guitar or violin and an MPC.

minimal · Post by **minimal** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:41 am

hoffman2k wrote:For Sale: Gold plated 15000 rpm 500GB Western Digital harddrive.
Because sound matters....

Price: Your firstborn child or the 8th son of your 8th son.

that's the same model richie hawtin is using, and since I am a minimal fanboy I got to have the same stuff he's having. I wanto one too.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:58 am

3rdordertrauma wrote: My guess is if this thing ever becomes a reality it will be 500 times the instrument the MPC ever could be... designed and created by 2 of the most influential & sickest instrument designers of all time. And I'm willing to bet it will still never reach the colossal over hyped status the MPC has.

its gonna be a synth drum machine (like 808, 909, jomox999, elektron MD), not a sampler drum machine. no threat to the MPC in the slightest.
Although, please email rodger linn (he's taking suggestions) and ask him, beg him infact, for 2mb of sampling time so we can at least load our own samples.

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:20 pm

b0unce wrote: its gonna be a synth drum machine (like 808, 909, jomox999, elektron MD), not a sampler drum machine. no threat to the MPC in the slightest.
Although, please email rodger linn (he's taking suggestions) and ask him, beg him infact, for 2mb of sampling time so we can at least load our own samples.

I wouldn't be so sure about that really. Coming the man who designed the MPC I would be guessing it would have sampling capabilities. Especially with todays technology it would be easy to implement. Besides to just make another drum synth or another drum sampler just wouldn't make a lot of sense these days... seems like lots of drums machines are heading towards hybrid sampling/synth models and you can bet Dave Smith and Roger Linn won't be out done.

Maybe you have better information than me but this was copy/pasted from Dave Smiths site talking about the Boomchik (whats with the name anyway?). It is a bit unclear how its written but you be the judge...
"Basically, it is meant to be a drum machine, not an MPC. It will have both real analog percussion and normal sample playback, plus a bunch of novel processing. The idea is to produce sounds with some real, unique personality, different from everything else out there."

My call is yes... this will be a threat.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 12:21 pm

well, I wish that you're right

please email rodge an' tell him we want to load our own samples..

just in case.

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