this thread is dead to me.

Idonotlikebroccoli · Post by **Idonotlikebroccoli** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:47 pm

Otto von Schirach: meh, not for me.

Immanent Starvation: Awesome! Love it.

Sonic Death Rabbit: Not sure. Kudos for costume

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:01 am

Idonotlikebroccoli wrote:Otto von Schirach: meh, not for me.

Immanent Starvation: Awesome! Love it.

Sonic Death Rabbit: Not sure. Kudos for costume

Pretty much there with you on those Schirach is a genius at creating new sounds etc. but most of his writing is beyond whimsical.
Immanent Starvation : I came late to his show with a girls who asked me if we could leave, she said she'd rather have her teeth pulled than listen to them!

I agree he's great though. Really heavy and percussive.

Sonic Death Rabbit are brilliant, period, as long as they're not furries in real life.

DrXparaMental · Post by **DrXparaMental** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:10 pm

Bring back Big Beat. IT BLOWS AWAY IDM. The Breakcore/hardcore stuff is just ridiculous. So tough to listen to. It just sounds like a bunch add rich kids with too much time on their hands.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:52 pm

DrXparaMental wrote:Bring back Big Beat. IT BLOWS AWAY IDM. The Breakcore/hardcore stuff is just ridiculous. So tough to listen to. It just sounds like a bunch add rich kids with too much time on their hands.

It's personal taste, I can't stand dance music personally, it's not all that electronic music should be IMO.
Plus, almost all breackcore groups use ReNoise, which costs a total of $70. So much for your rich kid theory. Or they use any of the free Trackers out there.
..and to top it off, there isn't a genre I can think of besides Young Country that hasn't had a few good groups emerge from it. For instance Big Beat does little for me, but certain Prodigy songs are timeless IMO.

DrXparaMental · Post by **DrXparaMental** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:30 am

Machinesworking wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote:Bring back Big Beat. IT BLOWS AWAY IDM. The Breakcore/hardcore stuff is just ridiculous. So tough to listen to. It just sounds like a bunch add rich kids with too much time on their hands.
It's personal taste, I can't stand dance music personally, it's not all that electronic music should be IMO.
Plus, almost all breackcore groups use ReNoise, which costs a total of $70. So much for your rich kid theory. Or they use any of the free Trackers out there.
..and to top it off, there isn't a genre I can think of besides Young Country that hasn't had a few good groups emerge from it. For instance Big Beat does little for me, but certain Prodigy songs are timeless IMO.

The "rich kids" are the ones that are 12-17 whose mom and pop will spring for 10 Gs of equipment to get them to shut up and stay the hell out of their hair. Incidentally, I know LOTZA youngnz doing Breakcore here in Detroit and none of them are using $70 anything. Mac Book Pros stocked with NI & Ableton along with Motu Travelers/ultralites and powered PAs ain't 70 big ones my man.

The reason why Big Beat IMO is so enjoyable is because it "seems" much more musical and naturally rhythmic. Prodigy and Fat Boy Slim are about the worst examples of true Big Beat out there. Crystal Method or Chemical bros, not *that's* Big Beat.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:11 am

DrXparaMental wrote: The "rich kids" are the ones that are 12-17 whose mom and pop will spring for 10 Gs of equipment to get them to shut up and stay the hell out of their hair. Incidentally, I know LOTZA youngnz doing Breakcore here in Detroit and none of them are using $70 anything. Mac Book Pros stocked with NI & Ableton along with Motu Travelers/ultralites and powered PAs ain't 70 big ones my man.

OK so the fans that don't have records out are rich kids.... how does that translate to Venetian Snares, AbleCain, Xanopticon, Duran Duran Duran.... basically all the big names in Breakcore, using a $70 program?????? I sat there and talked about this in depth with AbleCain and that's the jist of it, they all use ReNoise; how else do you write songs with 47 drum patterns but in a tracker?
It's junk logic to say the Breackore scene is all rich kids, never judge a music by it's fans my man.

The reason why Big Beat IMO is so enjoyable is because it "seems" much more musical and naturally rhythmic. Prodigy and Fat Boy Slim are about the worst examples of true Big Beat out there. Crystal Method or Chemical bros, not *that's* Big Beat.

Personal taste, I'm not impressed with Crystal Method or Chemical Brothers, I would rather listen to Prodigy any day.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:36 am

breakcore rules.

I could give a fuck about nobodies in detroit.

scenesters are not the scene, scenesters are the cancer that kills the scene.
exposure to mad radiotherapy is the cure.

amen.

MOONLEMON · Post by **MOONLEMON** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:39 am

yeah who cares that there's kids in Detroit ripping the stuff off? There's kids everywhere ripping everything off. That's how it goes with anything that's cool to anyone. As if there weren't a thousand people that tried to replicate the Chemical Brothers and failed because they didn't put in real effort or were untalented or because people are totally bored with that sound in general, whatever.

Quaristice is pretty good, some killer tracks, but it's probably not even as good as Untilted, IMO. Confield is still their crowning achievement in my mind, it's a total triumph of sound work. Powerful. Will be revered in the future, I imagine.

To put it plainly, one of my favorite things about Autechre is how they develop their songs, and with these shorter tracks it mostly loses that. They don't quite pack the punch that the gems from Confield and Draft do. The ambient tracks are really great though, and there's still some wicked ones otherwise.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:31 am

MOONLEMON wrote:They don't quite pack the punch that the gems from Confield and Draft do. The ambient tracks are really great though, and there's still some wicked ones otherwise.

That's too bad, obviously we have similar taste in Autechre, Draft is my favorite album by them that I've heard.... haven't heard all their stuff.
Though I don't mind shorter songs, I'm actually trying to force my stuff to be 3-5 minutes max. It's a good exercise in restraint IMO. Also, honestly it's my biggest complain about most music these days, too long, but in the obvious fat that could be trimmed way, not in the setting up a vibe that wraps you up for 7-15 minutes way.

DrXparaMental · Post by **DrXparaMental** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:56 pm

I think you get my point about ReNoise. 70.00 for one program don't mean shit in the face of the equipment it resides within and the programs along side of it. NO ONE uses ReNoise and nothing but. That's the junk logic.

Incidentally Detroit is what is copied when it comes to Techno of pretty much any type, NOT the ones doing the copying.

The poster that wrote the comment is employing complete ignorance to the reality of musical history. Both now, and when Techno was created here. Period.

Autechre is boring as heck. Just about as creative and musically REAL as nerds can be i guess. No groove, no melody, just squeaks n bleeps with a little elonGATED BS thrown in to break up the manotony.

The kids part of "rich kids" was a statement that holds true throughout the entirety of extreme music genres or fringe clique related "scenes". What was it the one poster said about "scenesters"? What the hell are scenesters anyhow? Are they the people NOT living in their bedroom at 40? LOL! Too much. Anyhow, the "kids" part of "rich kids" represents a real lack of musical experience. So they pretend they are being genuine by making up stuff that just harsh and rediculously fast in predictable ADD fashion. It's all in good fun and everyone knows that art is subjective so who has the right to criticisize it, right?

ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.

NUFF SAID.

koekzopie · Post by **koekzopie** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:15 pm

DrXparaMental wrote:It's all in good fun and everyone knows that art is subjective so who has the right to criticisize it, right?

ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.

NUFF SAID.

If you would take your own first statement seriously, why do you make that ridiculously generalizing second one? The definition of music in the eye of the beholder right (again your first statement)? Which also means that being regarded as a musician is in the eye of the beholder. So maybe to you Autechre are not musicians, but to me (and probably also others) they are. So please stop generalizing.

substance_g · Post by **substance_g** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:23 pm

DrXparaMental wrote:ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.

Anytime? How about Webern, Schoenberg, Stockhausen, Reich, to name just a few "non-musicians" -

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:51 pm

substance_g wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote:ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.
Anytime? How about Webern, Schoenberg, Stockhausen, Reich, to name just a few "non-musicians" -

or late Coletrane??? yeah. i did it, baby.

At anyrate, what the fuck do you think people who weren't on the inside said about your beloved Detroit techno when it came out? Maybe something like " i can't handle this repetetive kik drum with sqounking synth noise on top, it's not music" The response from someone on the inside might be "you don't get it."

whatever. we all know what you're about now, Dr X, and it's pretty boring. congratulations on getting old.

.lm.

DrXparaMental · Post by **DrXparaMental** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:00 pm

substance_g wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote:ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.
Anytime? How about Webern, Schoenberg, Stockhausen, Reich, to name just a few "non-musicians" -

careful...I'm an artist. My posts are therefore art. Everything within them is beyond reproach.

"extreme music" was a STUPID way for me to have put what I was feeling and typing. Obviously composers come in all different shapes and sizes and no one is going to appreciate everything that everyone is doing all the time. It's just that some of this shit is so ridiculous and "non musical" (in other words anyone with a basic knowledge of VST could do it if they really wanted to) that it could ONLY come from a position of complete musical ignorance. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes it's just annoying as hell.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:06 pm

Ah, great to see you trotting out another classic nugget of ignorance:

DrXparaMental wrote: It's just that some of this shit is so ridiculous and "non musical" (in other words anyone with a basic knowledge of VST could do it if they really wanted to) that it could ONLY come from a position of complete musical ignorance. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes it's just annoying as hell.

first of all, i'm not even sure what "a basic knoledge of VST" is, but the tenor of the argument should be very familiar to you as someone who is into techno. There's a genre that has had idiots saying "It's not music, anyone can program a drum machine and a sequencer to make bleeps and bloops, it's easy." Of course that's not true. and neither is your ricockulous statement.

.lm.