Why Upgrading to Live 8 is a Waste of Money

[longjohns]

The part where he says: "ZOOM DISPLAY-
I actually like this feature. Yes, it really is a “feature”. I wish Windows XP would do this by itself. I wouldn’t pay $189 for it though."

Not only is this "feature" in XP, it's been a "feature" since Windows 98. They call it "magnifier" in case you're reading this OP. You can find it under Accessories, Accessibility, Magnifier in XP and Accessories, Ease of use in Vista.

actually the behavior is not like magnifier, but like lowering your screen resolution. i bet that has been in place since before win 98

[longjohns]

no seriously, kids, ableton's great for arranging, editing, and a new method of dj'ing, but actually making tracks with the built in instruments? uh, no? live 7 is great, obviously, but live 8 has a completely tacky feeling, like, it's trying WAY too hard to be something it's not.

...i mean, you can't really expect people to like the instruments included, can you?

my advice: if you're not into wasting the money getting an older version of live, just get some analog hardware and pro tools... or if you're dj'ing, and you don't want to blow some money on a new mac and ableton, go with cdj's.

it's common sense, folks!

it's a douche-off!!

[Jordan Vesteyo]

What at blithering F-tard.

[Machinesworking]

Anybody else notice how he hasn't responded since dom pointed out he wasn't a registered user?

[djwack]

That vid was the best thing I seen whole day! I wish that cat could come and play at our parties..

but seriously, wtf? It's M4L that you're paying for in Live 8. M4L is the biggest part of this version. Get over it..

[casioaz1]

Anybody else notice how he hasn't responded since dom pointed out he wasn't a registered user?

he finally did in another post he started....
cwnc wrote...
saw the comment by dom in the other thread - do you really think I'm going to post shit like this under the same account as my software?
Not to mention the privacy implications of dom checking on everyone's "status" all the time. I can afford the software; what do I give a shit if other people are pirating it? Why should you? More music = better world.
Don't give me your bullshit anti-piracy arguments, I've already heard them.
I'm out until tomorrow.

[stringtapper]

Anybody else notice how he hasn't responded since dom pointed out he wasn't a registered user?

he finally did in another post he started....
cwnc wrote...
saw the comment by dom in the other thread - do you really think I'm going to post shit like this under the same account as my software?
Not to mention the privacy implications of dom checking on everyone's "status" all the time. I can afford the software; what do I give a shit if other people are pirating it? Why should you? More music = better world.
Don't give me your bullshit anti-piracy arguments, I've already heard them.
I'm out until tomorrow.

Right, and he still never explicitly stated whether he was a licensed user or not, and I asked later in that thread. No answer.

[Tone Deft]

That vid was the best thing I seen whole day! I wish that cat could come and play at our parties..

but seriously, wtf? It's M4L that you're paying for in Live 8. M4L is the biggest part of this version. Get over it..

max4Live isn't out yet, NOBODY has it. as far as we can tell it's not even in beta yet. we'll have to buy it separately from Live 8.

[stringtapper]

That vid was the best thing I seen whole day! I wish that cat could come and play at our parties..

but seriously, wtf? It's M4L that you're paying for in Live 8. M4L is the biggest part of this version. Get over it..

max4Live isn't out yet, NOBODY has it. as far as we can tell it's not even in beta yet. we'll have to buy it separately from Live 8.

Greg Taylor has it... but he works for Cycling...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq6Y7cE5mfA

[djwack]

That vid was the best thing I seen whole day! I wish that cat could come and play at our parties..

but seriously, wtf? It's M4L that you're paying for in Live 8. M4L is the biggest part of this version. Get over it..

max4Live isn't out yet, NOBODY has it. as far as we can tell it's not even in beta yet. we'll have to buy it separately from Live 8.

I am fully aware that M4L is not out yet. Still, my point was, we are paying for it in our live 8 upgrade, because in order to make M4L even possible, there has undoubtedly been a lot of reprogramming in the Live8 core program to accommodate for the inevitable release of M4L. Even if we have to buy M4L separately, everyone who's buying live 8 is paying

EDIT: to some degree /EDIT

also for M4L's development.

[Tone Deft]

dude, that's wack.

there was development for Live 8 for its new features, enough new features to call it a major release. major releases get priced accordingly. by your logic if max4Live wasn't in the pipe Live 8 would be free or cheaper.

you don't know that Live had to be re-written for max4Live. users are already getting max-like control over Live through Python hooks in the code, an indication that Live did NOT have to be rewritten, rather new max objects had to be developed.

[djwack]

dude, that's wack.

That's meh

there was development for Live 8 for its new features, enough new features to call it a major release. major releases get priced accordingly. by your logic if max4Live wasn't in the pipe Live 8 would be free or cheaper.

Free? nononono. Cheaper, just a lil bit? I believe so. Undoubtedly some manpower has been required from Ableton to cater for the needs of an extension that hosts a dedicated controller API and access to the core program. Usually these interfaces are not too user-friendly unless interaction from the user is expected, so it must have taken some resources (to come up with usable api documentation at least but probably more) that might have otherwise been in use on other aspects of live 8 development.

In any case, I believe version upgrades of programs to be kind of a "software leasing" system, where you contribute to the "racing team's budget" that you like and want to support. I would have payed Abes the money even without some of the new features.

I am not being dissappointed by the new stuff, quite the contrary! Using the grooves quite a lot, I don't quite get the OP's opinion about it being not worth changing..

you don't know that Live had to be re-written for max4Live. users are already getting max-like control over Live through Python hooks in the code, an indication that Live did NOT have to be rewritten, rather new max objects had to be developed.

Touche. I have not messed on the python side of things. How is the UI handling with those python hooks? can you use the UI as freely and neatly as with what you see in the M4L commercial? =)

BTW This functionality has been around since which version?

[Tone Deft]

also consider max4Live will cost several hundred dollars, it's a project for a product that will generate revenue that can be forecasted to pay for the resources involved.

I dunno, the idea that max4Live jacked Live 8's price up just doesn't follow the balance of business finance. (I'm an older EE, I get the vibe you do software, you might catch where I'm coming from, workshit, the cubicles.) dunno, I'm a nerd, not a tie wearing bean counter.

what price should it be? no clue, lots of debate on that. it's the price of addiction.

re: the OP, he's been proven to be a tool, a very dull tool at that. just another jackass with a blog. he way overplayed his hand.

the python stuff started here
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... lit=python
this guy found it, Ableton OK'ed it, he ran with it. no clue where it is, bump it with a question.

[scott nathaniel]

the python stuff started here
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=66118&start=0&hilit=python
this guy found it, Ableton OK'ed it, he ran with it. no clue where it is, bump it with a question.

Doesn't seem to be much happening out there. I checked that guys site awhile back as I was just starting Python 3.0 Haven't found much info on it as regards Live. Such a noob with Python that I wouldn't be able to much anyways.

[djwack]

Hehe, check that youtube vid on 4:04 "It requires Live 8 to run"

the python stuff started here
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... lit=python
this guy found it, Ableton OK'ed it, he ran with it. no clue where it is, bump it with a question.

This was in 2007? To me it smells like Abes found something that they really wanted to add to their agenda

Any chance that what the guy is talking about at the audioshow vid ("In the future versions of M4L we will be able to control the Live API as well") and this python API from two years ago are related to another?