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Djing on 2 decks and a mixer = Pure Orange Juice
Using Ableton to mix = from concentrate

A flyer for a night should specify that a booking is using Ableton

but crowds and technology have changed and I accept that

..but if you're you're using ableton to mix 'other peoples' tunes im not considering you a real DJ - and I promise you that the majority of promotors think the same thing

I wont hold it against you tho and it all boils down to your selection

Live Ableton set of your own productions Is a different kettle of fish

However, the biggest criminals are those that go from DJin on decks to using Ableton - then class themselves as a performing 'Live' and increase their booking fee - disgusting behaviour

Cracks me up seeing people in this thread calling people cocks for discrediting mixing on Ableton - they're totally justified for thinking that and you know it

catflap wrote:Djing on 2 decks and a mixer = Pure Orange Juice
Using Ableton to mix = from concentrate

A flyer for a night should specify that a booking is using Ableton

but crowds and technology have changed and I accept that

..but if you're you're using ableton to mix 'other peoples' tunes im not considering you a real DJ - and I promise you that the majority of promotors think the same thing

I wont hold it against you tho and it all boils down to your selection

Live Ableton set of your own productions Is a different kettle of fish

However, the biggest criminals are those that go from DJin on decks to using Ableton - then class themselves as a performing 'Live' and increase their booking fee - disgusting behaviour

Cracks me up seeing people in this thread calling people cocks for discrediting mixing on Ableton - they're totally justified for thinking that and you know it

amen

I'm diggin' the whole "who cares, as long as you make people move, groove, and have a good time, then who cares what the haters want to say" stance..

catflap wrote:Djing on 2 decks and a mixer = Pure Orange Juice
Using Ableton to mix = from concentrate

Original music played live in any fashion = Pure Orange Juice
Other people's music played in any fashion = from concentrate

That's how it is for me.

This thread is funny. Finally DJ's have someone to look down on and scoff at.

^ lmfao!!!

davepermen wrote:interesting to call live sample based, when I'm only using live devices, but no samples.. to each it's own way.

Than you dont use it at its root design.. sure.. possible.. but the tools you need to generate the sequences that drive theese soundmodules are not really there..

the midi thru handling

looprecording

step input


all week points in ableton live.. with a clever designed enviroment logic might be a far better live software regarding this aspects... but also too overblown...

I just wondered what would have been happened when live 4, that introduced the possebility to generate own sequences, would have been designed towards the needs of the live performing musican instead trying to make it DAW alike but not as sophisticated...

it was defently highest on the wishlist to have midi in ableton live back than..
To be able to create and not only to be able to remix

but when it finaly came..it turned out to be pretty useless at first..badly implememted... no time allignment...
just 16 quantize... not realy a 21 century standard in all aspects but not usuable live either..
Eventually it became usuable in the studio in later versions, but it never worked for me like being on stage with cubase or logic... where its especially with cubase easy to create live content... set the song in a 16 bar loop.. select the instrument you wanna play, with latency free midi thru.. press rec..play...

stop rec.. the last complete loop pass will automatical replayed... shorten 16 bar loop to 4 bar loop..copy track..delay 1/16 transpose 1 oct up... play with the mutes... release loop...

with live you could do it.. but it needs much more moves.. w.. at least i never came so warm with it to do it on stage...
I think the situation became better in L8...
Now you can create empty loops by double clicking what speeds up the things..and with all the wright keyboard commands..and perpared empty tracks with the wright midi plugs.. oh god..forget it...very spontanious :-/
not really comfortable or direct regarding sequence creation. see recording of controler moves in a loop..one thing you defenetly might like to do on stage with electronic music..its a common thing..

hardware like

electribe
machinedrum
nord G2


just to name a few i worked with that allow to record parameter modulations on the running sequence...

many reaktor ensembles allow to do it..
you actually can do it with the logic track automation when beeing in write mode...


you cant do it with ableton live.. at least not with controlers assigned to any live internal fx/instrument device..

and there is no overwrite,, it just adds layer after layer bloowing the midi pipes with data overflow..

no...

Actuall Ableton live is not so well suited for live acts, its not designed in that direction...

its better for dj´s )

just not as good as tractor..but tractor is not a daw... its specialised, not a program that trys to do everything...

catflap wrote: Cracks me up seeing people in this thread calling people cocks for discrediting mixing on Ableton - they're totally justified for thinking that and you know it

ignorance is never justified IMO.

the creative possibilities take a set beyond the traditional linear format and make it something akin to 3D - rather than the inefficiency
of using most of the time cueing and beat-matching, the DJ has a wide variety of alternative options to manipulate other people's music
in a live setting.

for some people, they prefer the tactile security of vinyl / CD's whatever and that's totally cool of course.

i could go on forever. I've heard it all before... and no argument stands up to scrutiny. There are no 'rules', traditions & orthodox ways of doing things don't interest me. Otherwise we would have listened to musicians who discredited synthesisers and sequencers as 'cheating'.

3phase wrote:stuff

well, as i said, to each his own. i don't care if you don't see live the way i see it, and use it the way i use it. i like it that way, i'm interested in using it that way, and it's what made me chose live. and i think it's quite awesome at exactly that.

to each his own. i attack you when you do some random bashing, but not for other opinions. it fits my workflow very well, so i'm happy with what i have. but for djing, i prefer traktor, too. tailored to the exact needs one has when "mixing a bunch of tracks in and out", from weddings to dark clubnights.

live is a playground for me, in which i'm allowed to build my own environment, my own sounds, my own little world. no other daw really let me feel that way, and it makes me happy. i grew up with lego, with a mom always explaining the how and why of somethings, and i can't let go of being curious, and going into detail with what ever i do. this is why i can't use samples, or anything. i want to MAKE THEM. (and in my case, completely in the computer). and play them. and compose them, enjoy them, juggle with them.


it's a strange world i life in. and live fits well in here. not that it's not without flaws. usability sometimes lacks, stability for some, too (happily never for me..). but that is true for most of the things in the world..


i don't consider myself dj when doing stuff in live, even when it is technically "mixing tracks" and nothing else. dj is defined to be disk jokey, and there's none of that left, not even in a virtual sense. (a dj, btw, doesn't have to mix..)

check out how well 3phase actually knows Live and how quick he is to blame it for problems. he calls other people amateurs, he's a look into how much he really knows.

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 3#p1088543

oops. nope, just blame Ableton.

sorry 3phase, I gave you the benefit of the doubt but this is enlightening.

GOTCHA!!

3phase wrote:

davepermen wrote:

3phase wrote:stuff

fanboytalk

i always give you the chance that i actually accept your way of thinking. but as you can't understand mine, or consider mine valid, it makes it really hard to take you serious.

Fast forward to the year 2020...

"What a bunch of talentless hacks...they just THINK it on time!"

i've had really good luck with the litmus of what you describe. if somebody is getting really torqued about what you are up to.....keep doing it, that means you are onto something good.

forge ahead.

are you?