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i love apple updates,logic X,automaps.

beats me wrote:

myrnova wrote:there is nothing to do, alas. Try acting in the environment, but I doubt it will work. I remember they had a solution (downloading via novation forum or smth) for logic9, but did not work. The best solution is: uninstall automap, or change daw.

Strange I didn’t have this problem with 9 but do with X. Sounds like something Apple needs to fix with an update. Can I just toss the offending automap plugins (it does make duplicates of plugs that aren’t automap, right?) or can tell the automap software to not start on its own anytime I launch a DAW?

Strange you did not have this issue with 9. Anyway, I don't remember well, because I threw away automap and novation + logic years ago, since it is a known unresolved issue (because of ridiculous Apple's AU policy). Automap works with every daw out there but Logic. The problem is not automap, but Logic (well... Apple, actually). The "solution" you suggest works only once, with sessions opened. Once you switch off the mac and switch it on again, open Logic and the problem is still there. Maybe Logic X will be different, but I doubt, since Logic is a great daw, but full of bugs and limitations.

nothing is better than the latest Apple update to Logic... except for Logic with Automap... and, of course, Pro Tools.

it's like they read all the good producer's minds... and then they made Logic X... they read the best producer's minds to make Pro Tools.

i love apple updates,logic X,automaps,apple's AU policy,protools.

myrnova wrote:Strange you did not have this issue with 9. Anyway, I don't remember well, because I threw away automap and novation + logic years ago, since it is a known unresolved issue (because of ridiculous Apple's AU policy). Automap works with every daw out there but Logic. The problem is not automap, but Logic (well... Apple, actually). The "solution" you suggest works only once, with sessions opened. Once you switch off the mac and switch it on again, open Logic and the problem is still there. Maybe Logic X will be different, but I doubt, since Logic is a great daw, but full of bugs and limitations.

Well shit. And since Apple just added Smart Controls, they’re version of automap, I bet they are even less interested in playing nice with Novation.

In other user experience, it looks like when you add Logic’s instruments it also adds bus tracks tied to that sound with effects and if you replace that sound with another plugin it looks like it still leaves the bus tracks there. Not sure if it did that in previous versions but I know it left the effects in place when you changed the instrument plugin.

i love apple updates,logic X,automaps,apple's AU policy,protools, bus tracks.

H20nly wrote:nothing is better than the latest Apple update to Logic... except for Logic with Automap... and, of course, Pro Tools.

it's like they read all the good producer's minds... and then they made Logic X... they read the best producer's minds to make Pro Tools.

+1. That and a uad2 octo card or two and your mixing as well as pro tools hdx, at least for most serious home studios. On the composing tip, I've immediately banged out some decent material. Apple must have hired everybody to throw in on how to make it all universal and obvious. It's butter

^ beatport will never be the same...

beats me wrote:

myrnova wrote:Strange you did not have this issue with 9. Anyway, I don't remember well, because I threw away automap and novation + logic years ago, since it is a known unresolved issue (because of ridiculous Apple's AU policy). Automap works with every daw out there but Logic. The problem is not automap, but Logic (well... Apple, actually). The "solution" you suggest works only once, with sessions opened. Once you switch off the mac and switch it on again, open Logic and the problem is still there. Maybe Logic X will be different, but I doubt, since Logic is a great daw, but full of bugs and limitations.

Well shit. And since Apple just added Smart Controls, they’re version of automap, I bet they are even less interested in playing nice with Novation.

In other user experience, it looks like when you add Logic’s instruments it also adds bus tracks tied to that sound with effects and if you replace that sound with another plugin it looks like it still leaves the bus tracks there. Not sure if it did that in previous versions but I know it left the effects in place when you changed the instrument plugin.

I am sorry, because I can see "CA" and I know you (californians) are very proud of Apple, but lately working with pc seems to be easier and better, alas. The mac was a necessary choice years ago for audio and digital music. Nowadays if you choose mac you must be aware of the fact you will have issues, being a closed system, expensive and with much less flexibility, choices and freedom than pc (they decide everything for you, see the useless "AU", no automap, etc.). I am very disappointed about Apple (using Apple products since 1997). And about Logic X, too.

So, my advise: avoid automap (novation) if you want to go on using Logic (infact "they" give you the "fantastic" ipad controller for "free" ) OR change daw.

myrnova wrote:

beats me wrote:

myrnova wrote:Strange you did not have this issue with 9. Anyway, I don't remember well, because I threw away automap and novation + logic years ago, since it is a known unresolved issue (because of ridiculous Apple's AU policy). Automap works with every daw out there but Logic. The problem is not automap, but Logic (well... Apple, actually). The "solution" you suggest works only once, with sessions opened. Once you switch off the mac and switch it on again, open Logic and the problem is still there. Maybe Logic X will be different, but I doubt, since Logic is a great daw, but full of bugs and limitations.

Well shit. And since Apple just added Smart Controls, they’re version of automap, I bet they are even less interested in playing nice with Novation.

In other user experience, it looks like when you add Logic’s instruments it also adds bus tracks tied to that sound with effects and if you replace that sound with another plugin it looks like it still leaves the bus tracks there. Not sure if it did that in previous versions but I know it left the effects in place when you changed the instrument plugin.

I am sorry, because I can see "CA" and I know you (californians) are very proud of Apple, but lately working with pc seems to be easier and better, alas. The mac was a necessary choice years ago for audio and digital music. Nowadays if you choose mac you must be aware of the fact you will have issues, being a closed system, expensive and with much less flexibility, choices and freedom than pc (they decide everything for you, see the useless "AU", no automap, etc.). I am very disappointed about Apple (using Apple products since 1997). And about Logic X, too.

So, my advise: avoid automap (novation) if you want to go on using Logic (infact "they" give you the "fantastic" ipad controller for "free" ) OR change daw.

Oh it’s more personal than that. Apple HQ is a short jaunt from my place. So they’re my hometown heroes. I don’t follow sports so I have that instead. I ditched Apple in favor of PC during the ugly dual OS 9 and 10 boot days. I managed to gum up my PCs with little effort, but I don’t really know what I’m doing…nor do I think I need to. Getting mad at people who don’t really know or want to know how to “optimize” a computer is like getting mad at people who have a driver’s license who aren’t also a certified mechanic.

Apple isn’t perfect but I’m happy with their products for the most part, and at this point I’m pretty locked into their ecosystem, but I haven’t seen anything compelling that makes me think its greener elsewhere, especially if we’re talking total package.

beats me wrote:I ditched Apple in favor of PC during the ugly dual OS 9 and 10 boot days.

And I thought you were born and raised Apple.



I have been using nothing but Apple computers since I was a kid playing King's Quest on my Apple IIe.



In my undergraduate I had a Performa 410 with OS… shit I can't remember. It was before they put the numbers in the OS name.

stringtapper wrote:

beats me wrote:I ditched Apple in favor of PC during the ugly dual OS 9 and 10 boot days.

And I thought you were born and raised Apple.



I have been using nothing but Apple computers since I was a kid playing King's Quest on my Apple IIe.



In my undergraduate I had a Performa 410 with OS… shit I can't remember. It was before they put the numbers in the OS name.

My first computer was an Apple IIc.



I used a Mac Classic on stage with my Electronica band in the 90’s.



But those late OS 9/early OS 10 days were painful. Shit, as recently as 2007 we were still dealing with plugins that needed to be UB or they wouldn’t work on the current Mac.

By the way, for "PC" I mean "windows 7" which is very performing and stable. Infact nowadays protools, DP etc. are multiplatform. I doubt if it wasn't stable and as good as OSX the guys at protools would put out their software for windows, too. Once Protools worked only for mac, because it was the only choice for (serious) audio and digital music. Nowadays things have changed, and working on PC is almost better (much easier, cheaper and more choices. Less issues).

I remember once plugins were all "for mac" or "for mac and pc". Nowadays they are all "for PC" or "for PC and mac".

My second advice: install windows7 on your mac

beats me wrote:But those late OS 9/early OS 10 days were painful.

That was right after I started making music with computers (remember Pro Tools Free for OS 9?), so it wasn't as bad for me as it was for some.

Shit, I know a professor who still keeps an old G4 PowerBook around to run apps that never made it to OS X. Fuck that. I'd rather use Windows.

Wait, no, no I wouldn't.

Strappn the mac fanboy?