SHITE!!! - Virginia Tech 33 Dead (Vs 18,000 Dead)?

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b0unce
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Post by b0unce » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:12 pm

hoho,
hey radialson, its fairly bad etiquette to cut-&-paste something without providing the source. in your case, it was:
www.gunowners.org
http://www.gunowners.org/sk0703.htm

here's what they're saying about Virginia Tech:
Virginia Tech Shooting -- Gun Bans Are The Problem, Not The Solution

For Immediate Release
April 16, 2007
Contact: Eddie Isler or Ellie McDaniel
703-321-8585

"When will we learn that being defenseless is a bad defense," asked Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America?

"All the school shootings that have ended abruptly in the last ten years were stopped because a law-abiding citizen -- a potential victim -- had a gun," Pratt said.

"The latest school shooting demands an immediate end to the gun-free zone law which leaves the nation's schools at the mercy of madmen. It is irresponsibly dangerous to tell citizens that they may not have guns at schools. The Virginia Tech shooting shows that killers have no concern about a gun ban when murder is in their hearts.

"Not far from Virginia Tech, a killer was stopped at the Appalachian School of Law when two students were able to go off campus to their vehicles and get their guns which they used to subdue the killer. Sadly, not even that awkward defense was available at Virginia Tech.

"Isn't it interesting that Utah and Oregon are the only two states that allows faculty to carry guns on campus. And isn't it interesting that you haven't read about any school or university shootings in Utah or Oregon? Why not? Because criminals don't like having their victims shoot back at them," Pratt said. "That's why the American people want an end to this ineffective gun ban."

Pollsters have found that 85% of Americans would find it appropriate for a principal or teacher to use "a gun at school to defend the lives of students" to stop a school massacre (Research 2000 poll).

The words of Virginia Tech spokesman, Larry Hincker, should be haunting him in the wake of the massacre at his school. Last year, a bill was killed in the Virginia legislature to enable those with concealed weapons permits to carry their guns at schools. Hincker said that "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."

"Gun Owners of America has called on Congress to repeal its deadly law requiring gun free school zones," said Pratt. "Likewise, the call has been made to state legislatures to enact legislation enabling people with concealed carry permits to be able to have their weapons with them in schools."

-- GOA --
Thats the solution allright - the shooter legallly owned his gun, so he could have carried it onto campus legitimately if 'GOA' had their way?.....

lol...turn your schools into a game of counter-strike

very intelligent.
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Post by yoshitosser » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:18 pm

b0unce, my hat off to you for that inspired bit of Google.

note 17 from that article

The number of people killed by their own government in Europe averages about 400,000 for the last 70 years. This includes Hitler's extermination of Jews, gypsies and other peoples (20,946,000); Stalin's genocide against the Ukrainian kulaks (6,500,000); and more. R.J. Rummel, Death by Government (2000), pp. 8 and 80.

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Post by Sibanger » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:22 pm

Hey radialson,
You've been Bounced! (again)
:)

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Post by hoffman2k » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:30 pm

Is everybody just quoting shit until somebody agrees? :lol:
A witty saying proves nothing
Now we're just waiting for somebody to say something witty ;)

Don't expect it to come from me. I'm armed with the knowledge that american satire provides. I recently discovered Bill Maher and I'm glad I did.

Its dudes like Jon Stewart, Colbert, Maher, parker & stone,...
That actually keep me from disliking America.
Its a country full of great people surrounded by idiots.
The fact that things like "jesuscamp" and "intelligent design" actually exist, proves that america is 2 countries rolled into one.
The news channels are turning into fashion shows and the real news comes from satire on cable.. go figure...

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Post by hambone1 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:35 pm

Whenever I consider moving back the the States, shit like this makes SO glad that I don't live here any more. What a fucked up place and a festuring pustule on mankind's ass.

I wish I could lose the American accent, too... what an embarassment...

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Post by hoffman2k » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:42 pm

hambone1 wrote:Whenever I consider moving back the the States, shit like this makes SO glad that I don't live here any more. What a fucked up place and a festuring pustule on mankind's ass.

I wish I could lose the American accent, too... what an embarassment...
Please!!! Don't end up sounding like madonna :lol:

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Post by Sibanger » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:43 pm

Hey hambone,
I've heard a good way to get rid of an accent is to get electrocution lessons. 8O
Sorry......

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Post by kramerica » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:35 pm

hambone1 wrote: I wish I could lose the American accent, too... what an embarassment...
You mean lack of an accent?
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Post by Machinate » Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:48 pm

Sibanger wrote:Hey hambone,
I've heard a good way to get rid of an accent is to get electrocution lessons. 8O
Sorry......
ooooooh, is that an ausssie pun-joke? DAMN!

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Post by ethios4 » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:04 pm

Can we start with a universal ban on nuclear weapons please?

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Post by pilcrow » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:13 pm

hoffman2k wrote: The fact that things like "jesuscamp" and "intelligent design" actually exist, proves that america is 2 countries rolled into one.
Just 2? At more than 300,000,000 we contain multitudes. Every stripe, every political viewpoint, every worldview you can imagine, and many that you can't. Maybe one or two viewpoints can comprise the totality on a two-acre plot like Belgium, but the US? Don't make me laff.

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Post by glu » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:14 pm

kramerica wrote:
hambone1 wrote: I wish I could lose the American accent, too... what an embarassment...
You mean lack of an accent?
English has been around much longer than American English!

think of all the various American accents...
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Post by Machinesworking » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:43 pm

kramerica wrote:
hambone1 wrote: I wish I could lose the American accent, too... what an embarassment...
You mean lack of an accent?
I love this one, the way the queen of England and Blair speak is proper english, we have the accent. I'm sure you can't grasp that, that our enunciations are from a regional dialect, not because we have no accent.
Think of it this way; the USA was founded by moistly english speaking people with a large population of Dutch and Germans, the accent that the non english speakers gave to the queens english became the flat sounding english the US speaks. The flatness doesn't come from us speaking it without an accent, but rather from us assimilating the accent that non english speaking people gave english.

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Post by freqn » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:45 pm

Sib,
Stats are stats, sarcastic or not. Sometimes facts hurt when they expose the truth that we are too lazy to research and back our claims.

b0unce,
Thanks for getting the web source, however there were plenty listed in the bibliographical info which was quoted in the text of my post which I believe do more justice than specifying just the webpage that lists them, although you were right in saying that I should have listed the url. My bad... :)

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Post by Machinesworking » Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:51 pm

It sucks that 33 people died just trying to go to school, in what they thought was a safe campus. Sure, people die of starvation and bullets etc. in war torn countries, but you expect that to happen. That is why it's shocking, and honestly I can't understand why anybody wouldn't grasp that?
I understand that dead people in Iraq and around the world is a tragedy, but at this point in time it's expected, this wasn't.

Why people tend to go off about abortions and other tragedies is beyond me? It's exactly why the left is so ineffectual. Go to an anti Iraq war rally, and there will be some twat there with a "Free Mumia Abu-Jamal!" sign trying to get attention. :roll:

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