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Astral Fridge Magnet wrote:

EgAD wrote:
btw i've seen satriani play in a poncho before

I have lost all respect for him now.

haha

listen man I have to agree with L.m. on the music thing, how you are looking at it is imho a very narrow way. but let me tell you this, I'm not about division not at all and i could be wrong but i think something inside you is reaching and maybe that's why you've been willing to be a part of this
discussion. there is alot more for you to enjoy in this world when you open up a little, and in the big scheme of things genres are moot points cause it's all just music man and i'm no better than you, we are the same.

leisuremuffin wrote:wow astral, you're just exposing your ignorance even more.


"I also happen to hate South American music like bossa nova, tango and whatever."

amazing!


good luck to you sir. i wouldn't want to live in your head.


.lm.

Come on now Leisuremuffin. You can't be serious. Are you saying that if someone dislikes a particular style of music that they are ignorant? As I interpret it, according to you people are not allowed to dislike anything and if they do they are dismissed as narrow minded. Your opinion doesn't make sense to me. Taking it to the extreme, does that mean that if I don't like the idea of having my testicles slowly tightened in a vice I am exposing my ignorance, because listening to South Americans playing the pan flute and wearing ponchos is the equivilance of having my balls tightened in a vice.

EgAD wrote:
listen man I have to agree with L.m. on the music thing, how you are looking at it is imho a very narrow way. but let me tell you this, I'm not about division not at all and i could be wrong but i think something inside you is reaching and maybe that's why you've been willing to be a part of this
discussion. there is alot more for you to enjoy in this world when you open up a little, and in the big scheme of things genres are moot points cause it's all just music man and i'm no better than you, we are the same.

I listen to a wide variety of music and I don't believe I am narrow minded. I am not reaching out for anything. All I am doing is disagreeing with a view point. Actually I could turn this around and say that because you don't like my point of view then that makes you ignorant.

Seeing you don't agree with my viewpoint and I don't agree with yours, lets just agree to disagree.

It's been an interesting discussion nevertheless.

EgAD wrote:...genres are moot points cause it's all just music ...

Now we're getting there.









[I still reckon Astral Fridge Magnet doesn't like darkies.]

bro, i'm deadly serious.

you just summarized south american music as "bossa nova, tango and whatever."

if you don't know shit about something, how the fuck do you know you hate it?



honestly i feel sorry for you. and i'm sure you're not alone.




.lm.

I did no such thing Leisuremuffin. I said:

Astral Fridge Magnet wrote:

I also happen to hate South American music like bossa nova, tango and

What I meant to say and should have said was I hate bossa nova, tango and poncho wearing pan flute music whose origins coincidentally are South American. My wording may not have been accurate. My excuse is I got back from a long flight from Australia two days ago and am still terribly jet lagged. 32 hours travelling takes its toll on you.

But enlighten me. Name me a genre of music from South America that isn't in that vein. All I have heard from South America is music in that style and to repeat what I said in an earlier post, what I have heard so far doesn't appeal and I have no desire to explore all the possible others unless something comes out of the blue that warrants exploration. I am not going to actively seek it out.

But I have the feeling no matter what I say, you are going to slam me down. I just find it surprising that you fail to see that my original point is that you can not classify someone as ignorant because they don't like something. I could just as easily turn this around and accuse you of ignorance because you don't see my point.


Anyway, you seem determined to believe I am ignorant and no matter how I try I can't change your mind. So I guess I am wasting my time. But let me ask you a question. Do you like EVERY genre of music?

well, lets see.


because we're on a primarily electronic music forum, i'll just drop one genre for you. Baile Funk. It's brazils answer to electro. Basically a very stripped down electro beat with rap-yelling in portugese on top. It's fairly easy to find out about, especially after diplo semi-popularized it a few years ago. There is a "mad decent radio" podcast with a lot of that stuff in it. can't rememmber the episode.



anyway, i don't give a shit what you do or what you listen to, but i'm going to judge anyone who says "I hate x" when they don't know anything about X as a fucking idiot. sorry. tough luck. What tango have you heard? What bossa nova? Really? You don't like Gilberto? you don't like Piazolla? I mean, that's ok, but it's pretty great music.


I don't like everthing i've ever heard, but i've found something good in every genre i've come across. Even if that good thing was just having a laugh. And i do actively go out and try to hear stuff that i've never heard before. I enjoy it! I certainly won't tell you that i hate, or even don't like, a genre that i don't know shit about. Which, btw, is what you are doing, sir. I don't know how much more clear that can be made.




.lm.

shout out for Cumbia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGKazbHd7Pc <-- cumbia de los muertos

so we've gone from gangsta rap to la musica del cholo.

cumbia is central american!


great music.


.lm.

leisuremuffin wrote:cumbia is central american!


great music.


.lm.

I checked the wikipeida entry, they say Colombian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbia
I too thought it was a more northern tradition.

wow, i'm freakin embarassed. I knew it was from colombia and thought colombia was in central america!!!! ooopppps.


there's some amazing music from ecuador too. I wish i could remember the names of some of the styles, but i have a smithsonian folkways record with stuff from ecuador, columbia and nicaruaga that is tight!!



.lm.

leisuremuffin wrote:well, lets see.


because we're on a primarily electronic music forum, i'll just drop one genre for you. Baile Funk. It's brazils answer to electro. Basically a very stripped down electro beat with rap-yelling in portugese on top.
.lm.

Thanks. I'll look into it.

leisuremuffin wrote:


anyway, i don't give a shit what you do or what you listen to, but i'm going to judge anyone who says "I hate x" when they don't know anything about X as a fucking idiot. sorry. tough luck. What tango have you heard? What bossa nova? Really? You don't like Gilberto? you don't like Piazolla? I mean, that's ok, but it's pretty great music.

Based on the genre's I mentioned that I hate, I have heard enough to form an opinion. It's not as if I have heard only a little of that stuff. It is based on a valid opinion. But I have already said this. But you bandy about the words fucking idiot too easily. You know nothing about me apart from some off the cuff remarks I have made and based on those remarks you have classified me innacurately. I could just as easily call you a pedantic fuckwit based on your rather crude analysis and narrow criteria for personality judgement, but I won't because obviously my perspective on character analysis entails far more than judging someone on their sense of aesthetics.

leisuremuffin wrote:well, lets see.


I certainly won't tell you that i hate, or even don't like, a genre that i don't know shit about. Which, btw, is what you are doing, sir. I don't know how much more clear that can be made.

I am not doing that and I don't know how much clearer I can make that. Once again and for the final time, someone is not an idiot because they don't like a style of music. It is simply a matter of taste. Some people like brocolli and some don't. Why can't you accept that?

fine, i'm done.


nothing i say is going to change your mind anyway.

I believe that people who dismiss entire genre's of music, nay, entire continent's musical output are fools. It is especially foolish, when it is clear that the individual making the statement isn't even familiar with the most recognized artists in said genres.

you can say whatever you want about me being a pedantic fuckwit, i don't care. I'm a pedantic fuckwit with a much broader understanding and appreciation of music than you.

I've already destroyed your broccoli argument before by pointing out that you are not saying you don't like broccoli. You are saying that you don't like vegetables. It is a very different thing.

I'm not sorry if i've offended you or anyone else.


anyway, no need to bicker further, i'm sure everyone reading this can tell both of our perspectives just fine at this point. Carry on.





.lm.


edited for grammar

Astral Fucktard Maggot.

/end thread

leisuremuffin wrote:fine, i'm done.


nothing i say is going to change your mind anyway.

I believe that people who dismiss entire genre's of music, nay, entire continent's musical output are fools. It is especially foolish, when it is clear that the individual making the statement isn't even familiar with the most recognized artists in said genres.

Nothing I say will make you change your mind either. I have explained that I haven't dismissed an entire continents musical output and true I don't know EVERY artist or researched it in the hope I will find something I like and I don't want to bother. If I happen to come across something that appeals, then I will persue it further.

leisuremuffin wrote:

you can say whatever you want about me being a pedantic fuckwit, i don't care. I'm a pedantic fuckwit with a much broader understanding and appreciation of music than you.

I didn't say you were a pedantic fuckwit, re-read it if you don't believe me and can be bothered. Maybe your tastes are broader than mine, but you can not claim a better understanding of music. Understanding music doesn't require having broader tastes. The fact that I have studied music composition should make it clear that I understand music.

leisuremuffin wrote:
I've already destroyed your broccoli argument before by pointing out that you are not saying you don't like broccoli. You are saying that you don't like vegetables. It is a very different thing.

My broccoli argument was to illustrate that certain things don't appeal and it boils down to taste. Nothing more. You didn't quite address my testicles being pierced point though. Does it mean that if I don't like the idea of my testicles being pierced that I am a narrow minded fuckwit just because I have dismissed it as a life style choice?

leisuremuffin wrote:
I'm not sorry if i've offended you or anyone else.

I am not offended. Just defending my viewpoint. I find it a shame though that you have to resort to insulting remarks when there is no need for that. People who have to resort to abuse have in essence lost the argument. How do you expect someone to take you seriously if you insult them. The natural reaction is to just close up and refuse to listen. I think it is far more effective to make and argue a point in a civilised manner, people tend to take you more seriously and give you a fair go.

leisuremuffin wrote: anyway, no need to bicker further, i'm sure everyone reading this can tell both of our perspectives just fine at this point. Carry on.

I suggested ages ago to agree to differ. It would be interesting to see who the majority of people agree with on this issue. You or me. But I doubt anyone is going to bother.

Final thing. This to me is another example of the bullshit Ableton forum code of practice. If you don't agree with the regular contributers expect their wrath. It's a very fascist approach. Agree with me or else is in essence what goes on here. So much for being open and broad minded, the very thing you accuse me not of being.

there's no whining in gangsta rap don't make me pop a cap in yo asses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4RY-eJgHHs <--- Happy Friday, Today Was A Good Day