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Discuss music production with Ableton Live.
DrXparaMental
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Post by DrXparaMental » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:07 pm

leisuremuffin wrote:
substance_g wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote:ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.
Anytime? How about Webern, Schoenberg, Stockhausen, Reich, to name just a few "non-musicians" - :wink:

or late Coletrane??? yeah. i did it, baby.


At anyrate, what the fuck do you think people who weren't on the inside said about your beloved Detroit techno when it came out? Maybe something like " i can't handle this repetetive kik drum with sqounking synth noise on top, it's not music" The response from someone on the inside might be "you don't get it."



whatever. we all know what you're about now, Dr X, and it's pretty boring. congratulations on getting old.



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spoken like a true cliquester. Congratulations on being young. :lol:

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Post by DrXparaMental » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:15 pm

koekzopie wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote:It's all in good fun and everyone knows that art is subjective so who has the right to criticisize it, right?

ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.

NUFF SAID.
If you would take your own first statement seriously, why do you make that ridiculously generalizing second one? The definition of music in the eye of the beholder right (again your first statement)? Which also means that being regarded as a musician is in the eye of the beholder. So maybe to you Autechre are not musicians, but to me (and probably also others) they are. So please stop generalizing.
The first sentence is sarcasm friend and NO music is NOT in the "eye" of the beholder, it's in their ear. So there! :P

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Post by DrXparaMental » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:32 pm

leisuremuffin wrote: Of course that's not true. and neither is your ricockulous statement. lm.

Could you speak up please? It sounds like you have something caught in your throat. 8O

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Post by koekzopie » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:42 pm

DrXparaMental wrote:
koekzopie wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote:It's all in good fun and everyone knows that art is subjective so who has the right to criticisize it, right?

ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.

NUFF SAID.
If you would take your own first statement seriously, why do you make that ridiculously generalizing second one? The definition of music in the eye of the beholder right (again your first statement)? Which also means that being regarded as a musician is in the eye of the beholder. So maybe to you Autechre are not musicians, but to me (and probably also others) they are. So please stop generalizing.
The first sentence is sarcasm friend and NO music is NOT in the "eye" of the beholder, it's in their ear. So there! :P
Ah so its sarcasm! So YOU are the one that knows (or hears) all? Can I please be close to you so I can catch a glimpse of your infinite wisdom?

Na forget it, you obviously enjoy pissing people off here. I'll shut up now

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Post by Machinesworking » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:29 pm

DrXparaMental wrote:I think you get my point about ReNoise. 70.00 for one program don't mean shit in the face of the equipment it resides within and the programs along side of it. NO ONE uses ReNoise and nothing but. That's the junk logic.

You're stretching because simply put you really don't have a point with your criticism at all. Pretty much ALL electronic music costs more than $70, your point is moot. Real Breakcore groups use very little outside ReNoise, but I don't really feel that compelled to argue it, your origional point dies by simply adding ANY genere into it, IE "Bring back Disco. IT BLOWS AWAY BIG BEAT. The Techno stuff is just ridiculous. So tough to listen to. It just sounds like a bunch add rich kids with too much time on their hands."
Incidentally Detroit is what is copied when it comes to Techno of pretty much any type, NOT the ones doing the copying.

The poster that wrote the comment is employing complete ignorance to the reality of musical history. Both now, and when Techno was created here. Period.

Right Techno is the basis of all electronic music!
This is just silly, not worth delving into but suffice to say, you don't know music history very well. Electronic music, and techno even were around before Detroit got into it. Kraftwerk for one were considered 'techno' when I was a kid, and the 'techno' from Detroit was considered, and is still considered Detroit Techno. Go back to music history class, and stop being so obviously provincial.

Autechre is boring as heck. Just about as creative and musically REAL as nerds can be i guess. No groove, no melody, just squeaks n bleeps with a little elonGATED BS thrown in to break up the manotony.
To me your music taste sucks, no wonder you would think that.
The kids part of "rich kids" was a statement that holds true throughout the entirety of extreme music genres or fringe clique related "scenes". What was it the one poster said about "scenesters"? What the hell are scenesters anyhow? Are they the people NOT living in their bedroom at 40? LOL! Too much. Anyhow, the "kids" part of "rich kids" represents a real lack of musical experience. So they pretend they are being genuine by making up stuff that just harsh and rediculously fast in predictable ADD fashion. It's all in good fun and everyone knows that art is subjective so who has the right to criticisize it, right?
I agree you have a right to your own opinion, your ridiculous hypothesizing to back it up is all I question.
ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.

NUFF SAID.
Wow? You're a total idiot aren't you? This is where you just fail so miserably it's not even funny? :?
Where to start? EVERY form of music that is now considered legitimate went through a period of time where people, usually older people, thought it was not musical etc.
Here's a short list:
Rock and Roll,
Heavy Metal,
Jazz,
Punk,
industrial,
Big Band,
Ambient,

AND
Electronmic Music in all it's forms.
I know old people that hate all electronic music, they think it's cold, robotic, and lifeless, or made by people with too much money, and not connected to the audience etc. like rock music.

Seriously congratulations in adapting your parents lack of taste for experimentalism in music, have a nice time creating tracks that sound like everybody else's.

Just to add to this, Autechre are musically trained, so the group in particular you hate on here fails to pass your hypothetical conclusion.

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Post by DrXparaMental » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:54 pm

koekzopie wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote:
koekzopie wrote: If you would take your own first statement seriously, why do you make that ridiculously generalizing second one? The definition of music in the eye of the beholder right (again your first statement)? Which also means that being regarded as a musician is in the eye of the beholder. So maybe to you Autechre are not musicians, but to me (and probably also others) they are. So please stop generalizing.
The first sentence is sarcasm friend and NO music is NOT in the "eye" of the beholder, it's in their ear. So there! :P
Ah so its sarcasm! So YOU are the one that knows (or hears) all? Can I please be close to you so I can catch a glimpse of your infinite wisdom?

Na forget it, you obviously enjoy pissing people off here. I'll shut up now
actually your pretentiousness (little king related) I enjoy LEARNING here, but yeah, useless shit like talking about lame electronic groups kind of inspires me to speak my mind. So what? :roll:

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Post by popslut » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:59 pm

Autechre are shit.




I just realised this thread has got to 10 pages and I've been meaning to post that since page 2.

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Post by leisuremuffin » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:02 pm

@ the Dr.

yeah, well, it would help if your arguments made any sense at all or if you could at least insult us with some sharp and inventive wit. You're not doing too well.

Besides, If autechre's music is so easy that "anyone with a basic knowledge of VST" (I'm still not sure what the fuck you're talking about there) could do it, why don't you get busy and show us your faux autechre master pieces. I'll bet you consider your "knowledge of VST" to be well above basic, so go ahead, toss up a track or two and lets see how close it comes.


unleash the badgers.




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Post by popslut » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:12 pm

I threw our vacuum cleaner into the bath and it sounded just like Autechre.

I might record it and send it to Warp...

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Post by Machinesworking » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:56 pm

leisuremuffin wrote: "anyone with a basic knowledge of VST" (I'm still not sure what the fuck you're talking about there) could do it, why don't you get busy and show us your faux autechre master pieces. I'll bet you consider your "knowledge of VST" to be well above basic, so go ahead, toss up a track or two and lets see how close it comes.


unleash the badgers.
Bitch has no idea about my knowledge of VST! :lol:


Seriously I went to the Detroit Techno School of VST Knowledge to learn my shit, and it is serious power levels higher than your VST!

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Post by Machinesworking » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:00 pm

popslut wrote:Autechre are shit.




I just realised this thread has got to 10 pages and I've been meaning to post that since page 2.
Ha! Admit it, you haven't liked any new musical style that isn't directly emulating bands from 20 years ago. :lol:

I personally don't post in DJ threads because I don't like the genre (EDM) enough to judge what's a good DJ, that's all.

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Post by DrXparaMental » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:07 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote:I think you get my point about ReNoise. 70.00 for one program don't mean shit in the face of the equipment it resides within and the programs along side of it. NO ONE uses ReNoise and nothing but. That's the junk logic.

You're stretching because simply put you really don't have a point with your criticism at all. Pretty much ALL electronic music costs more than $70, your point is moot. Real Breakcore groups use very little outside ReNoise, but I don't really feel that compelled to argue it, your origional point dies by simply adding ANY genere into it, IE "Bring back Disco. IT BLOWS AWAY BIG BEAT. The Techno stuff is just ridiculous. So tough to listen to. It just sounds like a bunch add rich kids with too much time on their hands."
Incidentally Detroit is what is copied when it comes to Techno of pretty much any type, NOT the ones doing the copying.

The poster that wrote the comment is employing complete ignorance to the reality of musical history. Both now, and when Techno was created here. Period.

Right Techno is the basis of all electronic music!
This is just silly, not worth delving into but suffice to say, you don't know music history very well. Electronic music, and techno even were around before Detroit got into it. Kraftwerk for one were considered 'techno' when I was a kid, and the 'techno' from Detroit was considered, and is still considered Detroit Techno. Go back to music history class, and stop being so obviously provincial.

Autechre is boring as heck. Just about as creative and musically REAL as nerds can be i guess. No groove, no melody, just squeaks n bleeps with a little elonGATED BS thrown in to break up the manotony.
To me your music taste sucks, no wonder you would think that.
The kids part of "rich kids" was a statement that holds true throughout the entirety of extreme music genres or fringe clique related "scenes". What was it the one poster said about "scenesters"? What the hell are scenesters anyhow? Are they the people NOT living in their bedroom at 40? LOL! Too much. Anyhow, the "kids" part of "rich kids" represents a real lack of musical experience. So they pretend they are being genuine by making up stuff that just harsh and rediculously fast in predictable ADD fashion. It's all in good fun and everyone knows that art is subjective so who has the right to criticisize it, right?
I agree you have a right to your own opinion, your ridiculous hypothesizing to back it up is all I question.
ANYTIME that "music" is generally considered a tough listen or a form of music that requires tolerance to endure or "get", most likely the people making it are NOT musicians, but rather bedroom nerds and social outcasts looking for attention. Somewhere to fit in.

NUFF SAID.
Wow? You're a total idiot aren't you? This is where you just fail so miserably it's not even funny? :?
Where to start? EVERY form of music that is now considered legitimate went through a period of time where people, usually older people, thought it was not musical etc.
Here's a short list:
Rock and Roll,
Heavy Metal,
Jazz,
Punk,
industrial,
Big Band,
Ambient,

AND
Electronmic Music in all it's forms.
I know old people that hate all electronic music, they think it's cold, robotic, and lifeless, or made by people with too much money, and not connected to the audience etc. like rock music.

Seriously congratulations in adapting your parents lack of taste for experimentalism in music, have a nice time creating tracks that sound like everybody else's.

Just to add to this, Autechre are musically trained, so the group in particular you hate on here fails to pass your hypothetical conclusion.
You need to get over yourself. Everything you just wrote along with 4.00 will buy you a fine cup of coffee at your local Starbucks. Get a life. One that includes something other than sitting around in some cubical wasting your time insulting your own intelligence. You got no point other than the one you wear your hat on. I don't care about changing your mind in the least.

If Autechre were actually "musically trained" they should have probably been plumbers. There is just NOTHING there. I own 4 or 5 of their CDs. You know what a CD is right? That's those things old dudes buy to support artists instead of downloading crap. I can't even make it though one song let alone a whole disc. Just lame. Period.

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Post by Tone Deft » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:10 pm

DrXparaMental wrote:I own 4 or 5 of their CDs. I can't even make it though one song let alone a whole disc. Just lame. Period.
so why the fuck are you buying CDs of pretentious music you don't like?

poser.
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Post by Machinesworking » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:13 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
DrXparaMental wrote:I own 4 or 5 of their CDs. I can't even make it though one song let alone a whole disc. Just lame. Period.
so why the fuck are you buying CDs of pretentious music you don't like?

poser.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Seriously bitch! you do NOT know about his VST! :twisted:

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Post by p8guitar » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:35 pm

sorry to say that, but this thread is as boring as Autechre's music.

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