One Day The Russians Decided To Kill A Bunch Of People...

[leisuremuffin]

nope, i wont debate you. As i've already explained, i don't debate trolls.


i'm just pointing out that your list does not deliver what you said you would deliver.



.lm.

Hey asshole. There's about 500 news websites that contain timelines of what's occured. Some of them go as far back as the 18th Century.


You've got nothing to say on the issue at hand, so you cry "Waaaa, waaa, Timeline! Timeline!"


The irony.


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you said you'd provide one, not me.

[landrvr1]

you said you'd provide one, not me.

I lied. Please don't hold it against me.


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[landrvr1]

Let's be reeeeeaaaaaaaaly honest here too, shall we?



Most of you are taking the Pro Russian position because the asshole Bush supports Georgia. I mean, Bottom Line, that's what's really going on here.


Blind hatred (justified) of Bush has clouded judgements around the world. Understandable, in a way.



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[andydes]

Let's be reeeeeaaaaaaaaly honest here too, shall we?

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OK

Most of you are taking the Pro Russian position because the asshole Bush supports Georgia. I mean, Bottom Line, that's what's really going on here.


Blind hatred (justified) of Bush has clouded judgements around the world. Understandable, in a way.

No. But this is the line you've been peddling since you joined the forum. No matter what the topic is. Twat.

[mikemc]

Basically those areas had freely elected to return to Russia, and it was only a matter of time before they did.

I don't know where the fuck you're getting your info
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There was a referendum held that indicated this, the validity of which was not recognized by the Georgian gov't.

South Ossetia (the Georgians want it called something else) is of course as relative to North Ossetia, which is part of Russia. Machinesworking has a good synopsis I think-- many people there had applied for Russian citizenahip. An irony is that analysts have said if they were given independence, they'd quickly fold one way or the other, because it is not a viable country.

i don't think you really delivered on this.

Yes, I would agree that a timeline was what I was thinking would be provided based on the request, the list has valid observations.

The observation that Russia did not seem to pursue a diplomatic solution first and instead went directly to use of force strikes me as valid. The use of force is disproportionate because it involved areas other than the one being attacked by the Georgians.

In terms of international law, there are very limited circumstances where injecting your military into a country is legitimate. An invitation is almost always required. Countries are not supposed to unilaterally 'punish' other countries according to that law, diplomatic measures are supposed to be "exhausted" before resorting to force.

A "justification" that Russia has: the area in question did have a lot of their citizens in it, which I think most countries would be hard pressed to just stand by and let get bombed and shelled if had the means to avoid it. But the bombing of the oil port and the move in Abkhazia are not justified by that-- obviously they had planned to slice off the discontented parts of the country.

But to me, still, the greater crime is to sic your military on your own civilian people. Kent State.

[djadonis206]

This is the part of the thread I applaude all those who have contributed to this thread. I especially give props to muffin for coming back as strong as I ever have seen him come back -

B-Legit of The Click said it best, "If she don't come when I come, she come when I come back!" <- LeisureMuffin!

but Rovers no punk and still holds the witty yet on point rhetortic award

we have seen Shiva, a rare sight but a sight non the less

mikemc's pretty chill but he's thrown his hat into the ring which is refreshing

tonedeft - words cannot express what I'm trying to express

Machineworkings pwning the pwner - golf clap ensues - I am waiting for the moment when he tells us how old he is again





and me of course

the usual ensues

SouthPark





GangstaRap




and the best exit phrase EVER in forum history

the use of the word

CURIOUS

...coined by the one and only Obi Kwon in the now infamous movie, Star Wars episode 2 Attack of the Clone < - GOOGLE IT!





Anywayz, it's great to see the usual suspects in such an unusual thread during these unusual times


please, carry on

[landrvr1]

Russia the Protector.

Russia the Innocent.

Russia the Peace Loving Nation.

omfg.

Reading some of these replies is like living within an Orwellian Doublespeak nightmare.

Golly, it's not like there isn't at least two really good examples of recent Russian 'acts of kindness'.


Chechnya
Oh my. Mustn't let those pesky bastards break away! Oh nooo. Mustn't let them! The brutality used by the Russians became the stuff of legend during this 'little' conflict.

Imperialism at it's best.

Oh my!



Afghanistan
Oh my oh my oh my. What can one say, really? The acts of debauchery and brutality against the Afghan people set a new standard really. Really and truly. Nevermind waterboarding. A pastime enjoyed by many a Russian tank commander was to roll into a town, round up the tribal leader(s), then slowly run over them with the tank treads. They didn't want information necessarily. They were mostly just bored and didn't have enough Vodka.

Very slow.

Starting with the feet, of course.

Ahh, fun times. Fun times.

Same old Russia, just a slightly different name. And a new playground, of course.

Again....

"The aggressor has been punished"
-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev


Punished! Punished! Punished! Muuuhhahhahahahahahhhahah!


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[wildcon]

I'm not going to get into debates and arguments here.

However, regardless of what you think about Russia’s aggression, it would not have taken place if the Georgian government had not made the first aggressive move. To make an aggressive move against a massively superior force on your own borders is frankly madness.

Russia is growing in wealth and world influence and this has given them an ideal opportunity to make the world stand up and take note (especially the USA) whilst doing so under the cover of a reactionary action rather than an aggressive one.

The west is pretty much powerless to stop this. There is a huge power shift towards Russia and China and Eastern countries. The USA is nothing like the dominant force it was, and certainly are in no position to bully Russia at the moment. I really feel that Russia will push this to the limit.

[landrvr1]

There was a referendum held that indicated this, the validity of which was not recognized by the Georgian gov't.

There was a referendum held in 1992 or so in which citizens of South Ossetia called for complete independence. At no time did they ever desire or request to be brought back into Russia.

The observation that Russia did not seem to pursue a diplomatic solution first and instead went directly to use of force strikes me as valid.

Cries for diplomacy are only valid when it' the US doing the nasty deeds. Anyone else? The Good Old Free Pass.

But to me, still, the greater crime is to sic your military on your own civilian people. Kent State.

I could point out that the Russians, in the last 100 years, have slaughtered millions of their own people, but I won't. Wait, I just did!

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[mikemc]

This is the part of the thread where I take a moment to admire djadonis' oft demonstrated aplomb in dealing with threads like this....

Most of you are taking the Pro Russian position because the asshole Bush supports Georgia. I mean, Bottom Line, that's what's really going on here.


Blind hatred (justified) of Bush has clouded judgements around the world. Understandable, in a way.

You know, there is something to that. But it's a little more than that. The main reasons the US gov't is pro-Georgia are the oil pipeline and historical distrust of Russia.

The reason the US gov't has to be concerned about the oil pipeline is because of the lack of concerted, intensified, whole-hog government supported and led research into viable energy alternatives which could eventually pay for themselves. Instead, the US gov't pour non-recoverable billions into troop deployments in order to protect oil sources while selling out our ideals.

And we know who is the reason for that.

[edit] The referendum, yes, it was for independence from Georgia, which was de-facto reunification with North Ossetia, because the position is untenable (which is why I said 'indicated'). But, yes, the preference was definitely not to be part of Georgia.

[landrvr1]

I'm not going to get into debates and arguments here.

However, regardless of what you think about Russia’s aggression, it would not have taken place if the Georgian government had not made the first aggressive move. To make an aggressive move against a massively superior force on your own borders is frankly madness.

Russia is growing in wealth and world influence and this has given them an ideal opportunity to make the world stand up and take note (especially the USA) whilst doing so under the cover of a reactionary action rather than an aggressive one.

The west is pretty much powerless to stop this. There is a huge power shift towards Russia and China and Eastern countries. The USA is nothing like the dominant force it was, and certainly are in no position to bully Russia at the moment. I really feel that Russia will push this to the limit.

An excellent post.

I really feel that Russia will push this to the limit.

Truer words were never spoken. And, no matter their action, they'll get a free pass

every

step

of

the

way.


If for no other reason than they are thumbing their nose at the US, and people LOVE that shit. Hell, I FUCKING love that shit. Doesn't mean the Russians should get a free pass.

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[landrvr1]

Let's be reeeeeaaaaaaaaly honest here too, shall we?

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OK

Most of you are taking the Pro Russian position because the asshole Bush supports Georgia. I mean, Bottom Line, that's what's really going on here.


Blind hatred (justified) of Bush has clouded judgements around the world. Understandable, in a way.

No. But this is the line you've been peddling since you joined the forum. No matter what the topic is. Twat.

Funny, I don't remember bringing this up in a recent Prophet 08 thread, but..you know....tis cool.

I'll say it again, just so's you're clear:

Blind hatred (justified) of Bush has clouded judgements around the world. Understandable, in a way.

Once more.

Blind hatred (justified) of Bush has clouded judgements around the world. Understandable, in a way.

Blind hatred (justified) of Bush has clouded judgements around the world. Understandable, in a way.

Blind hatred (justified) of Bush has clouded judgements around the world. Understandable, in a way.

Okay, that was more than once.


Blind Hatred = License to give other assholes a Free Fucking Pass.

Ooo. I like that!


ps. What is it with you fucking Island Monkeys and the word 'twat'? It's funny and all, but WTF? How about a good old 'Asshole' or 'Douchebag' for a change? Oh, and while I'm at it, the last Season of Doctor Who really sucked ass. Can you talk to someone about that shit? I know you Island Monkeys all talk amongst yourselves and shit.

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[Machinesworking]

There was a referendum held that indicated this, the validity of which was not recognized by the Georgian gov't.

There was a referendum held in 1992 or so in which citizens of South Ossetia called for complete independence. At no time did they ever desire or request to be brought back into Russia.

Why would thousands of them acquire Russian passports then? Actually curious as to the answer.
...and honestly I judge every world event by who is actually the aggressor at first, who hit first, and what the reasons are for. I reluctantly sided with the Chechnyans, but I'm not at all for religious separatist movements, and after the hostage situation where they took schoolchildren hostage, which ended up in a massacre, I lost all interest in their cause. The effect was blood and death, they deserve no sympathy IMO.

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However, regardless of what you think about Russia’s aggression, it would not have taken place if the Georgian government had not made the first aggressive move. To make an aggressive move against a massively superior force on your own borders is frankly madness.

Yeah, that's the part I don't get at all?

[4.33]

landr1, you're such an ignorant pussy it's funny))

[mikemc]

no matter their action, they'll get a free pass

They will definitely get a 'deeply discounted pass', because they control all that oil and gas.

This is the point: oil is causing the free world to sell out its ideals, and it's following its 'leader'.

But in what way are they are currently getting a 'free pass'? How would you have them 'pay'?

[edit] Regarding Machinesworking's question-- the discontented in South Ossetia must've somehow felt they could get a better deal with Russia, and it turns out they were right.