OT- Obama must have shat his draws

[Incy]

Huey,

Obama is warm and fuzzy. Mccain (and Palin) is cold and prickly.

I'd like Obama to meet my mom, that would cheer her up. McCain coud also meet my mom, that would cheer him up. Palin is not allowed to meet my mom.

I'd give Obama the nuclear button. He doesn't like war; he'll keep it safe. McCain likes war; he makes me nervous. He should meet my mom. She hates war.

I'd give Obama the benefit of the doubt. I'll take my chances. I know McCain's deal. I don't want to live in his distopian world of greed, terror, and proletariat submissiveness. Neither does my mom.

[forge]

You can't possibly blame the economic conditions on a war

isn't it costing something like 300 million a day?

[ethios4]

The main thing I know is that I 100% absolutely DO NOT want McCain in office. That thought alone makes cynical self-serving non-voting unacceptable to me. On top of that I think Obama could actually be a good president...only time will tell. What I do know is that if a candidate doesn't campaign as a centrist he doesn't stand a chance. I was fully behind Ron Paul and look where he got....nowhere. So it's not realistic at all to complain that a candidate isn't talking about "real" change such as abolishing the IRS or Federal Reserve....not going to happen. Many of us acknowledge that real change comes from the ground up....from the people...but then when a guy comes along saying his campaign is about the people, not him, he gets lambasted for not being a dictator.

[deva]

I'd give Obama the nuclear button. He doesn't like war;...

He likes it enough to promise to increase the military budget, increase the number of soldiers, and escalate the war in Afghanistan, and to wage a war against terror in a hundred countries, creating for this purpose a new international intelligence and law enforcement “infrastructure” to take down terrorist networks.

[Punky921]

Clinton speaking at a rally yesterday says (I can't quote completely but it went like this)

Clinton: Barack called Hillary, he called me, he called Warren Buffet, he called my financial advisors, so he could understand what is going on with the economy. Then the clincher, Barack asked all of these people he called, what is the right thing to do?

Tnat speech confirms what I suspected all along......He has no plan. He knows nothing about the economy, he is lost. This guy is not ready to be president. I got flamed big time on this forum for asking "what plan". All he as done is mutter the words Change...change, and the Obama-bots, and sheeple fell into line. We are headed for a big train wreck. Face it, the only reason people like Obama is.....he isn't Bush. Its sad, but we are on the way to a big paycheck raping with this guy. He is fueling the abolishment of 401K retirement funds, he wants to rape FICA which is what feeds out Social Security, he is backing off some of his promises, and the biggie, he has waffled and lowered the cap for income that he said he would not tax (was 250K per year). Now his is lowered it down to the 150K or 200K range. WE ARE SCREWED if this guy gets elected. But America does not care about putting a price tag on our liberties. The sheeple are selling out and saying "Ya he's gonna give me free money every year" Money that these idiots will pay the rent with for one month and its gone until the next year. That plan can not build the economy back. Everyone use your heads and think about what he has condoned. Marxism, association with domestic terrorist, ACORN who he has promised a role in his presidency, Wright, Rezko, taxes, giving Social Security to illegals, voter fraud, Distribution of wealth so that we don't have a say so where our money goes when we give it to the government. This nightmare list goes on and on. Please think about your actions and the consequences when you vote. I am not saying vote for McCain. I am saying if you like the independents stand on things, go that route. Obama = failure and we do not need any more failures in government.

Just to respond to some of your points:

Waffling on income tax? 250K to 100K? Well fuck me, I'm making 35K a year at my dumbass office job and that doesn't mean a damn thing to me. For anyone making 100K a year and up can bite me. Heh heh.

Anyone who's actually studied Marxism or leftism of any kind would never call Obama a leftist.

Jeremiah Wright, as far as I've seen, has never said anything I really disagree with.

And last time I checked, we ALREADY have no say where our money goes when we give it to the government. $700 billion backs me up on that one, folks. You talk about this shit like it's something NEW.

I'll take Obama over McCain, but I don't think it's going to be the glorious peaceful revolution that everyone thinks it's going to be.

[Huey]

why the hell would I go to Obamas website and READ the same shit/whitewash thats coming out his mouth (been there months ago by the way it still did not give the details, you would not like them anyway). Again, how did 8 years of Bush do this to the economy? First four years were properous by the way. The war didn't cause anything to do with the economy, the Dems controlled congress, which DOES control the economy, when they were warned that this mortgage crap was going to implode, they did nothing. Dems seem to shrug that off....you know the fact that they have been in control and won't take responsibility and that they have a lower approval rating than Bush. Rezko will spill the beans on Obama when its too late. How is stealing $$ from one class of people and giving it to another going to fix things? I will have no say so in where my $$ goes under Obama. Why do I have to support, with my savings, every illegal, bum, lazy ass, that think the government owes them and any other low income 12 kid family on welfare. Because that would be the right thing to do under a Marxist society. Of course a bunch of you around here love Obama. He's going to give you free money from people like me. Then you will spend it on rent, booze, new kit, dinner with the wife, maybe a bill, and pooooof its all gone and the economy is the same. Why do people believe in this guy as the savior. He can do nothing for you or the economy. Look at it this way, lets say the Reps take congress, all the promises that Obama made you will mean nothing, because the majority know that raising taxes in a bad economy (Obama's plan for change) is a trainwreck waiting to happen. Point is Obama can promise all he wants, but he controls nothing to do with the economy to make your life better. Oh, but he is an excellent speaker.

[Huey]

Punky921,

By leaving out Marxist in your reply "anyone who ever studied Marxism or leftism, would not call Obama a leftest" I take it you agree he is Marxist in his philosophy? Because Leftist does not equal Marxist in definition.

At least there is the Libritarian, constitution and independent parties to look at on the 4th. I am not a McCain supporter and I definitely am not for Obama (don't trust the fucker or his past). Unfortunetly, it will be one of the two.

[Punky921]

Punky921,

By leaving out Marxist in your reply "anyone who ever studied Marxism or leftism, would not call Obama a leftest" I take it you agree he is Marxist in his philosophy? Because Leftist does not equal Marxist in definition.

At least there is the Libritarian, constitution and independent parties to look at on the 4th. I am not a McCain supporter and I definitely am not for Obama (don't trust the fucker or his past). Unfortunetly, it will be one of the two.

I meant Marxist in particular or a leftist generally. Sorry I was unclear.

He isn't Marxist. Or a leftist. He's a capitalist. He's surrounded himself with capitalist advisers. There's nothing in his doctrine or rhetoric that suggests that he's going to create the "dictatorship of the proletariat" or radically redistro wealth or create a deformed worker state like North Korea, Soviet Russia, or anything like that. You seem to fear authoritarian leftism, and I don't blame you for that (it has a vast and ugly history in the 20th century), but I don't think you really have to fear that in Obama.

Anyway, I'm done with all this. Vote for who you wanna vote for.

[hacktheplanet]

What's so bad about asking for advice?
Ever heard of the, uh, PRESIDENT'S CABINET?

[darkcatt]

What's so bad about asking for advice?
Ever heard of the, uh, PRESIDENT'S CABINET?

All candidates are expected to be omniscient; Any thing less is preposterous!

/\ this is a joke, don't flame me!

[knotkranky]

Clinton speaking at a rally yesterday says (I can't quote completely but it went like this)

Clinton: Barack called Hillary, he called me, he called Warren Buffet, he called my financial advisors, so he could understand what is going on with the economy. Then the clincher, Barack asked all of these people he called, what is the right thing to do?

Tnat speech confirms what I suspected all along......He has no plan. He knows nothing about the economy, he is lost. This guy is not ready to be president. I got flamed big time on this forum for asking "what plan". All he as done is mutter the words Change...change, and the Obama-bots, and sheeple fell into line. We are headed for a big train wreck. Face it, the only reason people like Obama is.....he isn't Bush. Its sad, but we are on the way to a big paycheck raping with this guy. He is fueling the abolishment of 401K retirement funds, he wants to rape FICA which is what feeds out Social Security, he is backing off some of his promises, and the biggie, he has waffled and lowered the cap for income that he said he would not tax (was 250K per year). Now his is lowered it down to the 150K or 200K range. WE ARE SCREWED if this guy gets elected. But America does not care about putting a price tag on our liberties. The sheeple are selling out and saying "Ya he's gonna give me free money every year" Money that these idiots will pay the rent with for one month and its gone until the next year. That plan can not build the economy back. Everyone use your heads and think about what he has condoned. Marxism, association with domestic terrorist, ACORN who he has promised a role in his presidency, Wright, Rezko, taxes, giving Social Security to illegals, voter fraud, Distribution of wealth so that we don't have a say so where our money goes when we give it to the government. This nightmare list goes on and on. Please think about your actions and the consequences when you vote. I am not saying vote for McCain. I am saying if you like the independents stand on things, go that route. Obama = failure and we do not need any more failures in government.

Sooo, McCain who is an admitted pre-school novice on the economy should not ask for advice because it would be too helpful. Right.
The rest of your post is just Fox news fanboy hyperbole.

We've already been through and are going through a train wreck already and if you voted for bush earlier, which sounds like you have, please step away from the ballot box, you've lost your voting rights for at least two cycles

Sorry Huey, your post "is" a sheeple post.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/us/po ... ref=slogin <The tax thing

Vote Obama

[andydes]

Urgh, just typed out a load of replies to various points on this, but deleted them as I really can’t be arsed with it anymore. I’m partly fascinated by this election and partly sick to death of the whole thing.

So all I’ll say is, if you buggers vote McCain in and he croaks halfway through, leaving Palin in charge, I will never forgive any of you. As for the parties themselves, there’s hardly anything between them on the political scale. All this ranting about commies or fascists is pretty laughable from the outside.

That is all. Have a nice weekend.

[Incy]

Actually, Obama wants the same for the military Rumfield wanted; a leaner nimbler stike force since the days of conventional warfare with mechanized divisions are all but gone for superpowers. So, no. And yes, Obama will focus on being the war on terror to closure. A forever war will cost our economy significantly.

[sparklepuff]

Hahaha, since when did asking smart people questions turn into a bad thing? Has the thought that "2 heads are better than 1" been nullified? Ignore history, don't ask advice of people who may have valuable knowledge?

This election has brought to mind 2 distinct personality types: The type of people who like to surround themselves with others they consider better, smarter, more successful than themselves in order to become that as well, and the type of person who hangs out with people they consider dumber, uglier etc. in order to make themselves appear superior, and enjoys insulting and putting others down for the same effect.

[hacktheplanet]

How is stealing $$ from one class of people and giving it to another going to fix things? I will have no say so in where my $$ goes under Obama. Why do I have to support, with my savings, every illegal, bum, lazy ass, that think the government owes them and any other low income 12 kid family on welfare.

Personally, I'd rather support a lazy ass bum than watch my economy go down the toilet and my dollar become worthless because of a ridiculous war that has sent our national debt absolutely skyrocketing.

And we're not "stealing money" from anyone, it's just a change in where taxes goes. It's not like someone is going to come to your house and say "give me money for homeless Bill on the corner he needs another Icehouse." It's like a fucking nickel out of the current taxes you pay, just distributed in a different direction. The reason why Americans are so scared of social programs is because we haven't experienced ones that are properly implemented. I have faith that Obama's whole "change" thing might actually get people to start thinking a little differently and accept ideas beyond rampant McCarthyism. (yeah, i went there)

Plus, have you ever tried to apply for welfare or any other social assistance? Do you know anything about how it works? My workplace a few years ago caught on fire, and I was pretty fucked while I was finding a new job. I tried to apply for food stamps, but it was a pretty complicated process. By the time I finished it, I had a new job and didn't need them any more. My roommate just got laid off (ECONOMY RAAARR) and is currently on unemployment while he finds a new job. Without unemployment, he would be fucked, and I'd have to get a new roommate. The average "lazy bum" isn't able to get welfare because they probably don't meet certain restrictions.

What if YOU get laid off? What if YOU get injured? What if YOUR workplace catches fire? You can probably squeak by for a few months and get a different job, but what happens when your savings dries up and you can't find a decent job?

I believe in public assistance because there are some people who can't physically work and definitely need it. Single mothers, senior citizens, and disabled folks come to mind. Sure, some rednecks will abuse it, but the good far outweighs the bad. If for every handful of grandparents, single mothers, and disabled vets it keeps off the street and out of homeless shelters, 5 people abuse the system, I think its done its job.