Ron paul should have been the president.

[Tone Deft]

Emissary stfu already, go back to the mole men.

Ron Paul was a failure in the campaign, it's over, he lost. there's nothing you know that the masses missed out on, you are no better than anyone else, pompous little twit.

[Emissary]

Emissary stfu already, go back to the mole men.

Ron Paul was a failure in the campaign, it's over, he lost. there's nothing you know that the masses missed out on, you are no better than anyone else, pompous little twit.

what a sad sad little man you are.

[Tone Deft]

OK.

but you're the one posting that you know more about American politics than all the Americans put together.

you post the weirdest shit man, out there. everything leads to the end of the world with you.

nutjob.

[sparklepuff]

he totally jerks it to alienporn.net

[Tone Deft]

site's down, so here I sit spamming the forum in sexual frustration.

[Emissary]

OK.

but you're the one posting that you know more about American politics than all the Americans put together.

you post the weirdest shit man, out there. everything leads to the end of the world with you.

nutjob.

And your the one attacking me when i have no beef with you what so ever. Your problem is that i am attacking your "beliefs" and your great leader. you dont sound too much different from a religious fundamentalist defending his chosen deity. You believe you came to an informed and intelligent decision by voting for an intelligent oratorial optimist whose catch phrase was "change" over a mentally unstable pensioner with a retard for a vp and whose favourite word was "fight". Now it doesn't take an IQ much higher than palins to realise that you walked straight into a trap.

anyway i refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Enjoy your financial depression and peak oil crisis . smooches xxx

[Tone Deft]

<-- seriously. I know I'm wrong in ranting, I don't care.

I used to think you were just taking the piss. I used to think you had to be 12 years old. then it was funny.

brilliant analysis of why I voted for Obama, truly. you do have it all figured out.

post whatever you want, don't let me stop you.

[deva]

OK.

but you're the one posting that you know more about American politics than all the Americans put together.

you post the weirdest shit man, out there. everything leads to the end of the world with you.

nutjob.

And your the one attacking me when i have no beef with you what so ever. Your problem is that i am attacking your "beliefs" and your great leader. you dont sound too much different from a religious fundamentalist defending his chosen deity. You believe you came to an informed and intelligent decision by voting for an intelligent oratorial optimist whose catch phrase was "change" over a mentally unstable pensioner with a retard for a vp and whose favourite word was "fight". Now it doesn't take an IQ much higher than palins to realise that you walked straight into a trap.

anyway i refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man. Enjoy your financial depression and peak oil crisis . smooches xxx

Clearly Obama is a better choice between him and McCain.

Lots of people have said in response to criticism of Obama's center right policies and pro war position, that the objective is first to get him elected, then pressure him to make better choices. The problem isn't voting for Obama. The problem is that there is no real peoples movement to pressure him now that he is in office.

Obama's corporate backers have funded him, and have his ear. They are already talking to him each day. Then there is the team he will put together.

Here is a bit about the new Chief of Staff

"Obama’s key White House position will go to Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois. While Emanuel knows his way around the corridors of Washington, qualifying him in the traditional sense, this alone doesn’t mean he’s the guy you want drawing up Obama’s policy papers day after day.

For starters, Emanuel is a shameless neoliberal with close ties to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), even co-authoring a strategy book with DLC president Bruce Reed. Without Emanuel, Bill Clinton would not have been able to thrust NAFTA down the throats of environmentalists and labor in the mid-1990s. Over the course of his career, Emanuel’s made it a point to cozy up to big business, making him one of the most effective corporate fundraisers in the Democratic Party. He’s also a staunch advocate of Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories.

Emanuel’s shinning moment came in 2006 as he helped funnel money and poured ground support into the offices of dozens of conservative Democrats, expanding his party’s control of the House of Representatives. Emanuel, who supports the War on Terror, and expanding our presence in Afghanistan, worked hard to ensure that a Democratic House majority would not alter the course of US military objectives in the Middle East.

In short, Rahm Emanuel is not only a poor choice for Obama’s Chief of Staff; he’s one of the least progressive picks he could have made."

Secretary of the Treasury is going to be someone who was part of creating the financial crisis in the first place. Maybe Obama will have 1-2 positions with a couple progressive people. Maybe EPA for example. But overall, the people being discussed so far are essentially right wingers, and some of the crooks from the Clinton Administration.

So where is the counterforce? Where is the force that will push Obama like many people have talked about? Aint there. and it should be on the ground from day one, because all the big business interests, lobbyists, and washington insiders are already there whispering in his ear and influencing his decisions. Most people want to believe that Obama will bring change and will wait to see it, then maybe feel some misgivings 6 months down th road, but by then the thrust and direction of the administration will be set.

There is already talk of lowered expectations, but there is plenty Obama can do with a stroke of the pen. For example, he can close Gitmo, repudiate torture, stop government spying on citizens. He does not need Congress to do many things. If he takes some clear steps like that in the first weeks in office, that will show something of substance.

[Tone Deft]

all that's based on the viewpoint that the Progressive Party is the correct party. they villify him for being a Democrat and a liberal and not a Progressive. it's a very opinionated view, very true for your politics but to say he's bad for not being a Progressive is subjective.

the Palestine card - that's just not going to change, the US and Israel are deeply in bed. that issue is like the abortion issue between Dems and the GOP, they'll always hold the other accountable and it will never be resolved.

time will tell. FFS Bush is out.



edit - deva - are there ANY viable, effective Progressive politicians in Washington DC?

[deva]

all that's based on the viewpoint that the Progressive Party is the correct party. they villify him for being a Democrat and a liberal and not a Progressive. it's a very opinionated view, very true for your politics but to say he's bad for not being a Progressive is subjective.

the Palestine card - that's just not going to change, the US and Israel are deeply in bed. that issue is like the abortion issue between Dems and the GOP, they'll always hold the other accountable and it will never be resolved.

time will tell. FFS Bush is out.

The Palestinian card? Those are people dude, not a card. US tax dollars and weapons are going to brutally oppress, enslave and murder people. You may not care, but some people find that morally reprehensible.

Bush was out regardless...

It is not time that will tell... If all the people who worked hard to help get Obama elected sit back now and say time will tell, then the outcome is already obvious.

It was FDR who said to people asking for change "Make me do it"

[deva]

edit - deva - are there ANY viable, effective Progressive politicians in Washington DC?

What do you mean by viable? And let's drop the word progressive since it has multiple meanings to different people.

[EgAD]

just out of curiousity in everyones opinion what is wrong with building a wall between you and other countries I'm not sure I get it?

we have laws right, like you can't go to another country without their permission so what is it that makes building walls so offensive. I thought the walls were not for the people going through customs.

[Tone Deft]

The Palestinian card? Those are people dude, not a card. US tax dollars and weapons are going to brutally oppress, enslave and murder people. You may not care, but some people find that morally reprehensible.

I understand. what Israel has been doing to the Palestinian people is wrong. the US gov't has always taken the side of the Israelis, that is wrong, but it is not going to change. for many people this is a real problem in choosing a candidate, to the point where they don't vote. for me it's a small part of a bigger picture, there is no ideal candidate. anyway, 'the card' is what people play when they want to nay say a candidate "he supports AIPAC, so I can't vote for him." that 'card' will be in play for a long time. I know the Palestinians are getting fucked, so are my fellow Americans, whom I care about more. the right can say Obama isn't Pro Life, I don't like him, Progressives say that Obama is pro-AIPAC, I don't like him, they're cards.

Bush was out regardless...

yeah, but all people can do is whine about the new guy and he's not even in power yet.

It is not time that will tell... If all the people who worked hard to help get Obama elected sit back now and say time will tell, then the outcome is already obvious.

time will tell what Obama turns out to be, if he really is change.

It was FDR who said to people asking for change "Make me do it"

OK, aren't the expectations for change, to undo Bush's bad programs enough to 'make' Obama do something? I think that's built into the political machine at this point.

[Tone Deft]

edit - deva - are there ANY viable, effective Progressive politicians in Washington DC?

What do you mean by viable? And let's drop the word progressive since it has multiple meanings to different people.

oh, sorry about the word Progressive. isn't that the political party you stand by? I mean it to be the political party that's left of Democrat. looking to learn, what's your view?

[TomTom]

just out of curiousity in everyones opinion what is wrong with building a wall between you and other countries I'm not sure I get it?

Good point...China built a wall - I hear people love it.