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abort wrote:Its the next generation of Nitzer Ebb

A Mosh Pit that you might die in!

Wash your mouth out with soap! Nitzer Ebb songs were actually about something other than guns, drugs, and vaginas.

Combichrist is the next generation AC/DC if anything.

mike@TrackTeam Audio wrote: for me i think its a waste of creativity to spend time sorting out costumes. Just an opinion though.

I agree, though honestly my own band will probably have that sort of gap in it, me and the drummer worried about the sound, getting the songs right, and the singer worried about what outfit to wear.
Granted it's a little easier to take given she's a female and we're male etc. but some folks, goth/industrial people especially, care about the 'look', and we are pretty much goth/industrial....

tempus3r wrote:

abort wrote:Its the next generation of Nitzer Ebb

A Mosh Pit that you might die in!

Wash your mouth out with soap! Nitzer Ebb songs were actually about something other than guns, drugs, and vaginas.

Combichrist is the next generation AC/DC if anything.

OK I like Combchrist, but AC/DC with Bon Scott were in another class entirely, even if the message was all male swagger, the music was ruthlessly precise and well crafted. Combichrist won't be remembered 25 years later.

Machinesworking wrote:

mike@TrackTeam Audio wrote: for me i think its a waste of creativity to spend time sorting out costumes. Just an opinion though.

I agree, though honestly my own band will probably have that sort of gap in it, me and the drummer worried about the sound, getting the songs right, and the singer worried about what outfit to wear.
Granted it's a little easier to take given she's a female and we're male etc. but some folks, goth/industrial people especially, care about the 'look', and we are pretty much goth/industrial....

Industrial was famously formed around political, anti-war, and animal rights themes.

Love the music and I really like the gothee girl look(meow!), but the vapid culture clique swirling around the 'community' makes me constantly gag.

Plus, I don't like dead things & am wayyy too lazy to play dress up....

It's funny cause I really get along well with a lot of punks, but can't stand punk.

Even hardcore just sounds like male wankery to me.

Kodama wrote:

Machinesworking wrote:

mike@TrackTeam Audio wrote: for me i think its a waste of creativity to spend time sorting out costumes. Just an opinion though.

I agree, though honestly my own band will probably have that sort of gap in it, me and the drummer worried about the sound, getting the songs right, and the singer worried about what outfit to wear.
Granted it's a little easier to take given she's a female and we're male etc. but some folks, goth/industrial people especially, care about the 'look', and we are pretty much goth/industrial....

Industrial was famously formed around political, anti-war, and animal rights themes.

Love the music and I really like the gothee girl look(meow!), but the vapid culture clique swirling around the 'community' makes me constantly gag.

Plus, I don't like dead things & am wayyy too lazy to play dress up....

Agreed, also I'm getting to the age were I look even more stupid trying to be something I'm not. I'm a fucking redneck nerd, and I look funny dressing any differently. Black is as far as I'll take it.

Industrial started as an offshoot of DADA, Krautrock, and Cage/Stockhausen. Originally the message was to have no filter, zero. Sing write lyrics about anything at all, torture, love, sex, violence, serial killers, fetishes, machines, toys, having an awful day etc. Honestly the only early Industrial song I can think of that had a political message was The Mussolini Headkick, by Cabaret Voltaire. The first rule was to break all taboos and then break the taboos by being normal etc. this in itself is a political message really.
Later on groups came in that had political messages and anti vivisectionist messages. Then came the dance music aspect..... and we have a 'scene' that values the german square jaw manly men look and clothing more than any artistic merit. In a way, the SS gear that early groups wore in abject horror at the fascist state, and to remind people of the connection to modern politics has been substituted with little germanic looking fucks running around fetishizing genocide. Still, some of it is fun, and the women are pretty hot, unless they fall into the gothopotami category. I know some cool chicks that are overwieght and goth, but it's rare man, it's rare.

I agree about punks, tend to hang with metalheads and punks more than goths and rivets, but that can change over time.

Kodama wrote:It's funny cause I really get along well with a lot of punks, but can't stand punk.

Even hardcore just sounds like male wankery to me.

How do you do with female wankery? Otep for example. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like my band then, as the drummer is total metal, and I write aggressively. My main complaint about modern industrial is they took out any complexity and substituted a dance beat.

mike@TrackTeam Audio wrote:
for me i think its a waste of creativity to spend time sorting out costumes. Just an opinion though.

I know where you're comin from, but I'm of the mind that a *show* should have some vestige of 'showmanship'.

Can you imagine if opera or musicals or movies didn't bother with costumes?

CombiChrist is so 2003. Power noise has already come and gone.

dysanfel wrote:CombiChrist is so 2003. Power noise has already come and gone.

Well your point would make more sense if you had said Terror EBM has already come and gone. Power Noise is a different genre entirely. This is Power Noise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BnXkL3m ... re=related

A little more intellectually challenging and even noisier.

Hardly Power Noise, no matter what wiki sez.

tempus3r wrote:

abort wrote:Its the next generation of Nitzer Ebb

A Mosh Pit that you might die in!

Wash your mouth out with soap! Nitzer Ebb songs were actually about something other than guns, drugs, and vaginas.

Combichrist is the next generation AC/DC if anything.

What are you talking about? Take a deep breath my friend. It is obvious you have no idea what your talking about!!!

Your opinion will not be valid with me! ..please hang up and try try again.

I quite like combichrist. Well I like their latest album. I was never that keen on their earlier stuff. They do ooze cheese, but it is a great album for listen too at the gym

abort wrote:

tempus3r wrote:

abort wrote:Its the next generation of Nitzer Ebb

A Mosh Pit that you might die in!

Wash your mouth out with soap! Nitzer Ebb songs were actually about something other than guns, drugs, and vaginas.

Combichrist is the next generation AC/DC if anything.

What are you talking about? Take a deep breath my friend. It is obvious you have no idea what your talking about!!!

Your opinion will not be valid with me! ..please hang up and try try again.

lol.

Well. please list all the bands you are/were in that have played live with Combichrist and Icon of Coil. How often you've talked to Andy about Combichrist and which one of your good friends is their roadie and tours with them all over the globe.

I'll do the same and we'll see which knows what they're talking about...

Machinesworking wrote:

Kodama wrote:It's funny cause I really get along well with a lot of punks, but can't stand punk.

Even hardcore just sounds like male wankery to me.

How do you do with female wankery? Otep for example. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like my band then, as the drummer is total metal, and I write aggressively. My main complaint about modern industrial is they took out any complexity and substituted a dance beat.

Well by male wankery I mean machismo posturing, so no, your band does not fall under that category!

totally aside, sorry: but noting the targeted ads on the page, do goths really need/want their own dating service? seems like the whole point is to brood in festering loneliness, where contact with other humans is foredoomed to result only in despair.