What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

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Re: What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

Post by ollyb303 » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:40 am

I always sample from vinyl using my headphones, never with the speakers turned on. I've never really tried with the monitors on as this has always seemed like common sense to me.
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Re: What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

Post by vandons » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:19 am

Anybody use a Stanton T.90. I am seeing some pretty good deals on this machine. Comes with a cartridge but I would probably still replace it with the Arkiv.

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Re: What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

Post by cmreal04 » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:47 am

vandons wrote:Anybody use a Stanton T.90. I am seeing some pretty good deals on this machine. Comes with a cartridge but I would probably still replace it with the Arkiv.

I did a fair bit of research on the stanton T.90. From what I read some found they achieved the best sound when hooking it up through the phono outs other wise the signal was not as clean. I figured if I was going to hook up a turntable using that method I mind as well buy a used technics, since it was relatively the same price. I had already determined I wanted a all in one cartridge like the ortofon for ease of use and sound quality, so it being included meant nothing to me. The only place you might save buying a stanton is on the phono pre, if I remember correctly it already has one built in.

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Re: What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

Post by v00d00ppl » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:57 am

I use the ion TTusb 10....the usb enoder sucks, so i sample strictly through the RCA cables onto the emu1616m, novation x station, or my boss br864 portable recorder......What made the difference in overall sound quality was upgrading the standard cartridge to a Shure m97xe hi-fi needle. I can hear a whole lot of extra things and more detail with the needle.

From what I have been reading what makes the difference is the cartridge, not the turntable.
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Re: What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

Post by longjohns » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:31 am

something about this bugs me

if you're sampling vinyl then what is your aim?

if you want ultra-super-high fidelity (what record are you going to sample which is good enough condition to warrant this??) then probably avoid anything which is recommended here or anywhere else where there are dj's

i mean: I once saw this video of Premier talking about the "secrets" of his productions. He used the *gasp* EQ's on the mixing board to give it "that sound"

IOW my answer would be... any tt+cartridge which you do not use for scratching practice

My "good" turntable is a linn basik with an akito tonearm and a K18II cartridge (which needs replacing!) It's enough so that I don't get laughed at when I visit the stereo shop, but who really gives a $h!t - I only have about 1K records, none of which are clean enough that I'd worry about what TT I used to sample them

hint: Abe has a vinyl distortion plugin!! (never used it) :lol:

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Re: What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

Post by v00d00ppl » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:05 am

longjohns wrote:something about this bugs me

if you're sampling vinyl then what is your aim?

if you want ultra-super-high fidelity (what record are you going to sample which is good enough condition to warrant this??) then probably avoid anything which is recommended here or anywhere else where there are dj's

i mean: I once saw this video of Premier talking about the "secrets" of his productions. He used the *gasp* EQ's on the mixing board to give it "that sound"

IOW my answer would be... any tt+cartridge which you do not use for scratching practice

My "good" turntable is a linn basik with an akito tonearm and a K18II cartridge (which needs replacing!) It's enough so that I don't get laughed at when I visit the stereo shop, but who really gives a $h!t - I only have about 1K records, none of which are clean enough that I'd worry about what TT I used to sample them

hint: Abe has a vinyl distortion plugin!! (never used it) :lol:
It makes a whole lot of difference especially when you are using your sound editor......

For example, if you sample a record with a hi-fi cartridge that has a flat sound you can manipulate that sound to a point where people might not realize you jacked those sounds from a super duck duck breaks record.

Something like the shure m447 would be intended for battle usage because it colors the low end frequency much better and it gives it that thump.

The cartridge is basically a miniature microphone that picks up the signal and having something that is picking up the signal with little coloration as possible will give you a better idea of how the high frequencies on a record are.

I hope that gives you a better understanding of things.
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Re: What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

Post by longjohns » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:50 am

super duck breaks is the shit

uhhh... uuh, uhh..uh uh uhhh. bip bippy boom... scratchin? what is it? BEEP ahhhhhh this stuff is really fresh

I don't know.

frequency response. frequencies. digital EQ's... records...

I'm not sure that I'll be convinced that one couldn't sample a record off any _decent_ tt and not be able to adjust it to sound "good enough". It's like you assholes who were telling me that despite the RIAA curve being essentially an EQ preset, that you can't apply it after it's in the computer. (I'm going to test that shit!!)

considering that for the most part good quality records probably haven't been made much for 20year++ except boutiquey "180 gram vinyl" (!!! omg !!lol!!) and those 20+ year old records are... wait for it.... 20+ years old!

yeah, some hifi guy tells you that records sound better than CD's. except that 99% of records were bought by some douche who played it on his playskool record player (when he wasn't rolling joints on it). actually nevermind, some probably had a great record player. Like a sony! or Fischer!! what? you have to get a new needle??

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Re: What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

Post by longjohns » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:51 am

v00d00ppl wrote:
It makes a whole lot of difference especially when you are using your sound editor......

For example, if you sample a record with a hi-fi cartridge that has a flat sound you can manipulate that sound to a point where people might not realize you jacked those sounds from a super duck duck breaks record.

Something like the shure m447 would be intended for battle usage because it colors the low end frequency much better and it gives it that thump.

The cartridge is basically a miniature microphone that picks up the signal and having something that is picking up the signal with little coloration as possible will give you a better idea of how the high frequencies on a record are.

I hope that gives you a better understanding of things.
IOW excactly as i said - don't listen to the DJ's hehe

a f-ing NORMAL tt+ cartridge. don't twist it to the side, don't remove the counterweight, blah blah use the turntable like it was supposed to be used. you're fine.

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Re: What turntable/cartridge combo for sampling vinyl?

Post by longjohns » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:56 am

longjohns wrote:
v00d00ppl wrote:
It makes a whole lot of difference especially when you are using your sound editor......

For example, if you sample a record with a hi-fi cartridge that has a flat sound you can manipulate that sound to a point where people might not realize you jacked those sounds from a super duck duck breaks record.

Something like the shure m447 would be intended for battle usage because it colors the low end frequency much better and it gives it that thump.

The cartridge is basically a miniature microphone that picks up the signal and having something that is picking up the signal with little coloration as possible will give you a better idea of how the high frequencies on a record are.

I hope that gives you a better understanding of things.
IOW excactly as i said - don't listen to the DJ's hehe

a f-ing NORMAL tt+ cartridge. don't twist it to the side, don't remove the counterweight, blah blah use the turntable like it was supposed to be used. you're fine.

p.s. don't mind me, i'm just feeling frisky for some reason

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