Behringer FCB1010 problems

[sgreene]

I thought I'd post one more annoying thing I got figured out about the fcb1010.

It was sending out a cc every other button press when sending notes - with the cc value varying. This turned out to be the tap tempo feature used by older hardware.

This is a minor annoyance when mapping controls, since you might accidentally map the tap tempo signal or at least have to be constantly mindful of it. I got sick of it and set out to fix it the other day.

The solution was the uno firmware. In the uno programming guide you can disable the tap tempo with a few button presses. Some versions of the stock firmware had a broken tap-tempo feature, so if you don't get that behavior, that may be the reason.

Now if there were only a computer based editor for os x 10.6 and uno...(ripwerx was broken at 10.5)

[taximouse]

I get this too on my FCB. I call it "junk data" but I guess you're saying its a "feature"!!

Occasionally, the FCB sends a random CC message along with whatever note I'm sending. Its happened on 2 of the 3 FCBs I've owned. I've been over it with Behringer support but they deny it. I guess because its supposed to do that? Well, I be darned.

My fix is to put MidiPipe inbetween my midi input and Live, and to block all incoming CC messages.

[sgreene]

Do your 'volume' pedals still work when you block the cc's?

From the uno manual: http://www.ossandust.be/files/FCB_UnO_v ... rGuide.pdf

"9. TAPTEMPO
When clicking the same footswitch several times, on every second click, a CC1 message is sent, with a value proportional to the time elapsed between the last 2 clicks. Details about the way this value is calculated can be found in the official FCB1010 User’s manual. For this calculation, apart from the elapsed time, also the programmed CC1 value and NoteOn value are used.
* Remark : Taptempo can be enabled or disabled on a global level."

Here is behringer's manual - http://www.audiomidi.com/assets/4243_FC ... _Rev_E.pdf

Tap-tempo info is on page 11.

They also mention that putting the unit in a global Direct Select mode will stop it from functioning - but that's no use to me - I like to use the bank up/down buttons.

The uno chip is about $10 to fix the issue - but then I can't find a software editor for it to work on os x 10.5 or .6

By the way - hearing you on radiolab has inspired my last year of live looping experimentation...and hopefully performance soon. I'd always liked the idea of live looping, but had never heard it done 'right'.
I've gone from sooperlooper to mainstage and now to live with the Looper plugin - and things are starting to click.

[taximouse]

I don't use the volume pedals. In fact, I don't have any because I had them sawed off and power the FCB1010 via midi bus power.

Had it sprayed bowling-ball black while I was at it....

[taximouse]

Its been over a year since I modified my FCB settings....so my brain was rusty. However, I just turned it on and went into the global config. ControlChange1 is not activated for any of my presets that send notes. (Neither is ControlChange2).

So maybe those extra CCs are junk. They're not sent every other press anyway. More sparse and random than that.

Again, not trying to solve this problem since I've got CCs blocked. Since I use MidiPipe anyway to execute AppleScripts, its no extra work.

[taximouse]

hey thanks for the kudos sam.
radiolab rocks. i was such a fan before i even started working with them.

and...YOU ARE RIGHT about the FCB1010...the taptempo can only be turned off if using the unit in Direct Select mode, or if you've got the Uno Firmware.

even if the FCB patches are programmed to so that the CCs are turned off...a CC is still sent every other press, with the taptempo data. that is the "junk" that i was complaining about. you'd think having the CC's turned off would actually turn them off

such a weird "feature" of the FCB. again, blocking it anyway, but can't believe i was unaware of it all this time. i thought i was pretty savvy about programming the FCB but clearly not. thanks for clarifying that. hope others don't get tripped up by it.

[omega13lives]

I ... power the FCB1010 via midi bus power.

How do you do that? Not that I mind too much using the power cord, but did you have to add some hardware? Also, since I just bought an FCB1010 to launch backing tracks while playing live gigs, do I send a Program change, Control Change, or Midi Note to launch a Clip in Live? tx

Eric

[taximouse]

I had someone saw off the expression pedals of my FCB1010 and put the power supply in an external box. The external power supply box is rackmounted and sends power to the FCB1010 down a midi cable.

It cost me $500 to do, but its worth it. Now the FCB fits in my carryon luggage, and I don't have to run a power cord to it.

[macdelux]

Hey could any very nice person out there help me in figuring out how to use the FCB1010 to switch tracks in Ableton? Basically I have a about 5 soft synths from track one to five and want to use the FCB to switch tracks. I've managed to get it turning on/off tracks but not independently selecting them like a mouse click does?
Im using a Mac.
Thanks!

[sgreene]

Hey could any very nice person out there help me in figuring out how to use the FCB1010 to switch tracks in Ableton? Basically I have a about 5 soft synths from track one to five and want to use the FCB to switch tracks. I've managed to get it turning on/off tracks but not independently selecting them like a mouse click does?
Im using a Mac.
Thanks!

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