Ableton Forum

b0unce wrote:hallelujah

I didn't believe, but now I kind of do.

Thank you, guys from the internet.

I never answered in that thread you made because I figured it was so obvious that someone would have said something about the new Max 5 copy protection. It was touted as one of the new features FFS!

Cycling74 site:

...and in recognition of our loyal customer base, we have arranged with Ableton to provide Max for Live discounts to plug-in customers. Details will be announced when the product is released later this year.

parma wrote:hmm...

well hopefully they'll have a bit of a M4L discount for us unlucky pluggo owners, especially if they're porting some of that stuff over

I won't hold my breath though...

Did you even bother to read the article?

"Our Pluggo-inspired devices will be freely available for use with Max for Live, and in recognition of our loyal customer base, we have arranged with Ableton to provide Max for Live discounts to plug-in customers."

parma wrote:hmm...

well hopefully they'll have a bit of a M4L discount for us unlucky pluggo owners, especially if they're porting some of that stuff over

I won't hold my breath though...

They said they would, in fact.

Our Pluggo-inspired devices will be freely available for use with Max for Live, and in recognition of our loyal customer base, we have arranged with Ableton to provide Max for Live discounts to plug-in customers.

I think that this part kind of puts the nail in the coffin of the argument for a free M4L runtime since you're basically going to get Pluggo with M4L.

for those loyal customers who are lucky to be the Live users too...
but, what about the others....
i just hope they wont ditch all m4l stuff like they did with half of their products...

stringtapper wrote:

parma wrote:hmm...

well hopefully they'll have a bit of a M4L discount for us unlucky pluggo owners, especially if they're porting some of that stuff over

I won't hold my breath though...

Did you even bother to read the article?

"Our Pluggo-inspired devices will be freely available for use with Max for Live, and in recognition of our loyal customer base, we have arranged with Ableton to provide Max for Live discounts to plug-in customers."

well that's embarrassing.

Yeah, I guess I could have actually read the page that was referenced. But it's so much fun to express righteous indignation!

anyway, thanks for pointing it out. I'll try not to be such a dolt in the future.

also - glad they are offering a discount

how are the pluggo owners unlucky? they are still supporting it they just aren't further developing it.

God fucking dammit I want M4L SOOOOO bad right now!

Johnisfaster wrote:how are the pluggo owners unlucky? they are still supporting it they just aren't further developing it.

It means that if you want to use Pluggo 5 years from now, you'll have to keep a legacy computer around to run it. It means if you're a developer who used the Max/MSP environment to create your plug ins, you won't be able to sell to any other DAW owner but Live.

Personally it gives me a discount on MFL which I'll need if I'm to purchase it at all.

This seems to significantly reduce Max/Msp/Jitter's worth for me. One of MY favorite features was the ability to make plugins.

I have not upgraded to Max 5 due to lack of Pluggo. Now I'm in an interesting spot. I hope that Ableton/Cycling are going to be kind to Max 4 users on M4L pricing.

I think M4L sounds amazing, but I really like not being tied to Ableton exclusively.

Hmmm...

tyson wrote: I think M4L sounds amazing, but I really like not being tied to Ableton exclusively.

+1
I switched DAWs twice before I settled on Live, there are no rules to this game that aren't embedded in the code.

Android Bishop wrote:God fucking dammit I want M4L SOOOOO bad right now!

Me too!!
I've got the worst kind of dribbly sex wee GAS you can imagine.

Machinesworking wrote: It means that if you want to use Pluggo 5 years from now, you'll have to keep a legacy computer around to run it.

my computers are always legacy computers I had xp installed on my quadcore about 2 years ago and I haven't updated windows since as I don't want that computer to touch the internet, nor do I like it when you change things and realize all hell has broken loose.

your point is valid though sir.

I own Live 8, Max and Pluggo. Does this mean I get M4L for free ?