APC 40

[Belkin]

i get my from USA and its chipper

[heavensdaw]

i get my from USA and its chipper

Yeah but no warranty.. Unless you send it back to the US

Hd

[glitchrock-buddha]

I think this "uneven" price complaint is hilarious.

I used to wonder why the same pair of Nike shoes cost twice as much in England as they do in Canada when I used to go there when I was a kid every year. And why are CDs twice as much?

I was all "Holy jeez, these shoes are 90 dollars at home, but they're 90 pounds here. That makes them 180 dollars here!" Then I realized that everything was that much more (in general) - clothes, rent, house prices, etc... including wages. So I was like "Oh I get it, if they make the equivalent of 60,000 a year canadian for a job that we make 30,000, then they pay 1000 dollars rent for an apartment we'd pay 500 for, then I guess it's all kind of the same."

Edited 'cause I'm ass!

[Angstrom]

So you are saying that the average person in the UK earns more in real terms than in the USA or Canada?
For this to be correct the average wage in the UK should be substantially more than those places and therefore the equivalent cost is roughly equal?

if they make the equivalent of 60,000 a year canadian for a job that we make 30,000

Sorry, but that's incorrect

USA average wage in 2007 $40,405 U.S. dollars ( $40,405USD = £24,510 GBP)
Canada average wage in 2007 $42,120 Canadian Dollars (42,120.00 CAD = 23,595.98 GBP)
UK Average wage in 2007 £24,908 British pounds

the average wage in all three places is almost exactly the same
So, your supposition that the UK income is in relative parity with the consumable prices seems incorrect.

I think this "uneven" price complaint is hilarious.
c'mon.
I was fucking 12. Is it that hard to understand?

apparently it is

[Ed J]

hmm, last time I checked I swear the average UK wage was less than that. Damn footballers.

[Angstrom]

hmm, last time I checked I swear the average UK wage was less than that. Damn footballers.

well, my average wage is waaaaay less than that.
but 'average' people working in a real office doing actual work are getting somewhere around that figure

some figures
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/AWI.html
http://www.livingin-canada.com/work-sal ... anada.html
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285

some theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity

[glitchrock-buddha]

My bad. I totally thought the average wage was more even. I'll go stand in the corner. Was it not a while ago? Whatever, I'm an idiot.

But one point I do still want to make is that everything is more expensive over there. Isn't that just the way it's always been?

Sorry. I'm an ass. Total brainfart. I really did think the average wage came out pretty even.


Butt.... wait a second! Those average wages for U.S./ Canada are way too high. The numbers I heard was more around 30,000 for both. WTF? Are you serious? 42,000?

Why the hell have I been thinking that the average wage was around 30,000 in US/Canada! Holy shit, I was a bit off there.

[outershpongolia]

if they make the equivalent of 60,000 a year canadian for a job that we make 30,000

Sorry, but that's incorrect

He mentioned that he was 12.. I turn 12 in august!

[Ed J]

Things are more expensive in the UK because our currency is stronger (although that argument is a little weak at the moment) and we have slightly insane amounts of tax on many items (like cars, beer, even some foods).

That, and because most companies seem to be out to shaft people (Especially clothing retailers and, it would appear, music stores) =]

[Angstrom]

Butt.... wait a second! Those average wages for U.S./ Canada are way too high. The numbers I heard was more around 30,000 for both. WTF? Are you serious? 42,000?

US Census says it's now slightly higher than that (page 14)

Real median earnings of both men
and women who worked full-time,
year-round rose between 2006 and
2007, following 3 years of annual
declines. Men’s earnings increased
by 3.8 percent to $45,113,
women’s by 5.0 percent to
$35,102. The 2007 female-to-male
earnings ratio, 0.78, is an all-time
high (Table 1 and Figure 2)

http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf

[glitchrock-buddha]

Butt.... wait a second! Those average wages for U.S./ Canada are way too high. The numbers I heard was more around 30,000 for both. WTF? Are you serious? 42,000?

US Census says it's now slightly higher than that (page 14)

Real median earnings of both men
and women who worked full-time,
year-round rose between 2006 and
2007, following 3 years of annual
declines. Men’s earnings increased
by 3.8 percent to $45,113,
women’s by 5.0 percent to
$35,102. The 2007 female-to-male
earnings ratio, 0.78, is an all-time
high (Table 1 and Figure 2)

http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf

Thanks dude. British averages wages must have gone down in the last while too, no?

I must be livin' in the past....

[Sage]

The USA has about a third of the population of Europe at the very most, so that doesn't make sense either.

really? I thought it was roughly the same? isn't it round the 300 million mark for both? Oh - except the EU beast had a growth spurt recently, didnt it.

either way, population may not necessarily equate to size of market - or at least perception of the market in the Akai upper echelons

The combined total of the UK, France, Germany, Spain & Italy alone matches the USA.

Even Ableton is a German company, so to say there isn't a market here is a bit daft. Maybe consumerism works different in Europe to the USA.

[McQ714]

but going back... the product is from an American company. is it that hard to believe that people in the EU would have to pay more for an American distributed product? it's not like Ableton is the company selling these. take a look at the price difference for a pair of Genelecs in the US and in the UK. Standard price for a Genelec 8030 is $750 or $1500 for the pair at Sweetwater. At DV247, a pair of 8030s goes for 891 Euros, or about $1250 US. so basically, if the EU is going to give us the shaft, we'll give it right back.

[Sage]

but going back... the product is from an American company. is it that hard to believe that people in the EU would have to pay more for an American distributed product? it's not like Ableton is the company selling these. take a look at the price difference for a pair of Genelecs in the US and in the UK. Standard price for a Genelec 8030 is $750 or $1500 for the pair at Sweetwater. At DV247, a pair of 8030s goes for 891 Euros, or about $1250 US. so basically, if the EU is going to give us the shaft, we'll give it right back.

I always assumed Akai was a Japanese company for some reason. What is Ableton doing associating with Americans? *Shakes head in shame*

[McQ714]

Akai was a japanese company but Akai was bought out by a chinese firm and Akai Pro was bought by Numark as was Alesis.