I wonder if the Resurgence of VinyL is the Answer

[starving student]

yeah but we're talking about two different things here, of course there is a connection with music that has nothing to do with the medium, I was talking about the value factor of virtual vs. real, human beings just naturaly put more value in something that they can hold and appreciate, we all like digital i mean we all use Live but everyone in the thread has expressed a love for vinyl, if Lm gave away two thousand albums on his ipod he wouldn't think twice about it, but if he came home and found 2000 records missing he'd probably break something

[Hidden Driveways]

I've moved twice in the last year, and agreed, records are heavy. But I don't feel at home until I set up my turntables and start playing records.

I would love for someone to go through all of my records and digitize them at 48k 24bit. I've got a pretty vast collection of music on hard drives like most people do too. I just love coming home with a few good records every once in a while and playing them at my leisure. Eating muffins while leisurely listening to records is great too.

[starving student]

yessss muffins and records sounds good.

[8O]

yeah i think that's my point, when you get an audio file the music could be wonderful but the divide between the computer and the person is so great, watching stuff on somebody's website like videos or what have you leaves the listener as connected as mtv or anything else on television it's distant. but when you've got a great album in your hands and you put it on and listen to it while still holding the album cover is a special experience, the crazy thing is that most kids these days don't know enough of what they're missing but they can still tell that their missing something.

Also disagree, sorry. Listening to stuff digitally doesn't automatically not taking the time to listen. If I listen to CD or something off a HD, and I sit down and take the time to appreciate the music, I still get that great album experience. If you need the album sleeve in front of you to keep you from distractions or need the ritual of going up to the turntable every 40 minutes, then that's fine, but recognise it for what it is, and not be fooled into thinking that people can't have the same level of emotional connection unless they hear it on vinyl.

it's funny how you said you still get that great album experience, but before and after that all you talk about is how stupid that experience is, are you sure you haven't fooled yourself?

What? Where did I say it's *stupid*, before and after?

[8O]

...all the new music being produced today, the vast majority of which will never be on vinyl, doesn't have any emotional connection??

That's your quote, not mine. Of course good music still has a strong emotional connection. The argument is that vinyl provides deeper emotional connection, and that adds value to a release.

Maybe it adds value for you, but not for me.

I like finding new music on Myspace and other mediums like that too. Sure, Myspace can give you goosebumps. But for me, adopting a piece of vinyl into my permanent collection, so I can pull it on Sunday afternoons and listen to it in all of its glory, feel it in my hands, and smell it when I pull it from the sleeve, that to me is the most enjoyable way to connect with the music I love. God bless this new generation that's driving vinyl sales through the roof. It's not just for old goats like me. It's a universal thing that knows no age.

I can put on a CD on a Sunday afternoon and listen to it in all its glory... that's the most important part for me to connect with the music I love. Love of vinyl is not a universal thing.

[beats me]

People are going to listen to music on whichever media is most convenient and portable for wherever they may be in their day. Vinyl has to be the absolute last on that list. I understand people's nostalgic, tactile, and quality obsession with vinyl but it's never going to be the format for the masses and each day that goes by is pushing us further away from vinyl. I'm not saying this to be harsh in any way, but it's kind of like somebody sitting in a beater car asking if a return to horses is the answer.

[starving student]

it's not for everyone I know, but there has been a resurgence not the same as a horse and car analogy because vinyl sounds better than your ipod

[Forge.]

I love vinyl and think it is very sad to see it go, but I can't see how it can ever survive. It's a question of pure economics. Not just the labels and distributors having to front up the cash, but the manufacturers who make the materials as well as the people who make the discs. Labels may be often run by music obsessives who are happy to do it for love and not money, but I seriously doubt the manufacturers are. If it doesn't generate revenue, they will stop doing it - simple as that really.

All my records are still in the UK with a friend. (pretty meagre collection really compared to some of you I expect)

Most of my music listening is via the internet - either streaming or downloading.

[8O]

it's not for everyone I know, but there has been a resurgence not the same as a horse and car analogy because vinyl sounds better than your ipod

Again, no. You just prefer the vinyl sound over the digital sound. Which is fine... but prefer != better.

[starving student]

it's not for everyone I know, but there has been a resurgence not the same as a horse and car analogy because vinyl sounds better than your ipod

Again, no. You just prefer the vinyl sound over the digital sound. Which is fine... but prefer != better.

I concure but that's not as rediculous as saying that vinyL is a ritual haha

[8O]

it's not for everyone I know, but there has been a resurgence not the same as a horse and car analogy because vinyl sounds better than your ipod

Again, no. You just prefer the vinyl sound over the digital sound. Which is fine... but prefer != better.

I concure but that's not as rediculous as saying that vinyL is a ritual haha

Again, don't misquote me. I didn't say that vinyl is a ritual. I said that there is the ritual of going up to the turntable to change sides, which is true as it's the established routine that you only do with vinyl. Vinyl itself is not a ritual, don't misquote me.

Edit: ...unless you're deliberately just trolling for an argument which doesn't exist, in which case, please continue misquoting me as you like, whatever...

[starving student]

you may have not have said those words exactly but it's clear what you were eluding too, the point is that muffins and cds just doesn't sound as good, you know it, I know it, and the muffins know it.

[starving student]

as a matter of fact you can put a muffin on a record and still play it, try that with a cd

[djsynchro]

A kick in the gonads might do the trick.

[leisuremuffin]

I would love for someone to go through all of my records and digitize them at 48k 24bit.

Yeah man, me too, i certainly don't have the time. Also a little bit of a bitch to maintain proper back-ups. but damn, nothing like the bitch of carting those fuckers around. I'm moving to cali in a few days without my records and if i had brought them i would have more than twice the amount of stuff. Those boxes of records take up more space than EVERYTHING from from my studio.



It seems like there would be a market to start a vinyl digitizing service, but you'd have to charge considerably more than i think people are willing to pay to make it worth the time.





anyway, records aren't going anywhere. Record collectors are like cockroaches, they'll be the last things around after the apocalypse.




and i dunno man, i'd be fine with muffins and digital files at this point. And CD's are just like wrappers to me, man, i sell or give away those shits after i rip them.




.lm.