Will L8 users be able 2 run M4L creations without xtra cost?

[exper]

Well,

how about let them first release M4L, than let them sit back and get some things right (like protection for M4L-patches) and then let them consider a runtime environment.

Reaktor ensembles can also only be used with Reaktor me thinks. This is how things work ... If you want to benefit from something you have to pay for it ... (also by only just using M4L patches you benefit from the efforts that were necessary to implement it ... just because you are not using one feature - the editor so to do - does not mean you are only using a tiny bit of M4L)

I think M4L will become a selling point and so they might be interested in a runtime, like NI has the Kore and Kontakt players etc. (Although Kore player is even more limited than like people here want the M4L runtime).

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Oh, no, I just meant that, in my case, since I use Reaktor, I have those capabilities with Live's MIDI routing options.

However, not using the M4L editor would be a huge cripple. If they were to make a runtime, it would have to be either free or extremely cheap, with the possibility of some charging for their work with locked patches. This is Cycling74's stance, and it should carry over.

[steff3]

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However, not using the M4L editor would be a huge cripple. If they were to make a runtime, it would have to be either free or extremely cheap,
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Well, has it to be cheap? It has to be affordable and that depends on the value it provides ... It might be that in future versions of Live we see something like the KorePlayer - a included runtime-environment that lets users use a collection of M4L patches that are controlled by Ableton (so no possibility to use patches from other users).

I think NI did that to the best - you have the Kore player - which allows you to use Patches provided by NI. Then you have Kore, which allows you to play patches and then you have Komplete, which allows you to create your own patches (if I am not mistaken).

I think we will see, just let them first release that thing ... it is not even here ... no definite release date ...

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