Logic 7 is still no match for Live-4

Vercengetorex · Post by **Vercengetorex** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:32 pm

DISUYE wrote:You can only play a saxophone with your mouth.

I am sorry, but that statement is completely false. Give me a saxaphone and I will show you.

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:59 am

oops..someone is being insecure?

claudek · Post by **claudek** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:37 am

I'm not relly impressed by Logic 7..
It seems after the takeover of Apple..Logic is going cheezy..
I mean Ultrabeat looks stupid, EXS24 is dated,the new plugs in 7 are nothing ground breaking..
Live 4 is the best for me. does the job..and pricewise one cannot argue.
Logic 6 is still fine for me, as the plugs are great and are powerful.
Apple loops are retarded ..just let us drag audio in like Live does.
Live is still the king of audio looping software..! PERIOD!

rand · Post by **rand** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:25 pm

2 words about AppleLoops...
'transient detection'.
It's in Melodyne too and sounds waaayyy better then abletons mush.
(Still using Live but there are soOo many reasons to not get too high & mightly with Live folks.)
rR

Benshik · Post by **Benshik** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:00 pm

good point rand...

personnally I'm "sold" to Live as much as I am "sold" to Apple, and all the performance arguments people bring up don't alter my fanatic loyalty

BUT I am patiently waiting for one thing:
the day Live will live up to it's "elastic audio" claim by introducing DECENT, QUALITY, GOOD pitch shifting!!!!!!!!!!!!

After 2 semitones any sample starts to sound "experimental", but sometimes you don't want that, sometimes you don't want a guitar sample you pitched up to sound like f--kin Mickey Mouse

Ableton, are you there? do you hear me???

Ben

majestic · Post by **majestic** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:37 pm

Benshik wrote:I'm "sold" to Live as much as I am "sold" to Apple, and all the performance arguments people bring up don't alter my fanatic loyalty

Yep, me too.

Logic 7 looks nice but there's no way I'm leaving Live, I've found real-time compositional heaven here! Live's interface is so intuitive, whoever designed it deserves unlimited praise. There are a few things that bug me - e.g. having to drop an EQ plug into each track - but I can live with that. If I need video sync or score output before it's added to Live, I'll use Logic, but only if I have no choice.

forge · Post by **forge** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:00 pm

majestic wrote:. There are a few things that bug me - e.g. having to drop an EQ plug into each track - but I can live with that. If I need video sync or score output before it's added to Live, I'll use Logic, but only if I have no choice.

you should just set templates - straight forward enough

majestic · Post by **majestic** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:21 pm

forge wrote:you should just set templates

Yeah, I just miss having EQ built into the mixer on each channel, as I EQ just about everything. I guess it's been omitted because of the additional CPU it'd soak up, but if it were there but not activated, it shouldn't be a problem, right?

Not complaining at all though, using the plugins is very easy to live with. Live does so much in real-time (without even sacrificing the graphic redraws) that I couldn't reasonably ask for more. I'm still worshipping at the Temple of Ableton.

forge · Post by **forge** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:45 pm

majestic wrote:
forge wrote:you should just set templates
Yeah, I just miss having EQ built into the mixer on each channel, as I EQ just about everything. I guess it's been omitted because of the additional CPU it'd soak up, but if it were there but not activated, it shouldn't be a problem, right?

Not complaining at all though, using the plugins is very easy to live with. Live does so much in real-time (without even sacrificing the graphic redraws) that I couldn't reasonably ask for more. I'm still worshipping at the Temple of Ableton.

I personally use the waves REQ instead mostly, ( it's a long way ahead of the ableton one) so I like the way it works really

majestic · Post by **majestic** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:08 pm

forge wrote:I personally use the waves REQ instead mostly, ( it's a long way ahead of the ableton one) so I like the way it works really

Yep, I've used the demo, it's very nice...but unfortunately I'm CPU-challenged at the moment. A Waves bundle is the next thing on my shopping list after the G5 PB comes out...one day...

Nice to see another Melodyne user, it's a really useful piece of software.

jack rock · Post by **jack rock** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:23 pm

forge wrote:
majestic wrote:
forge wrote:you should just set templates
Yeah, I just miss having EQ built into the mixer on each channel, as I EQ just about everything. I guess it's been omitted because of the additional CPU it'd soak up, but if it were there but not activated, it shouldn't be a problem, right?

Not complaining at all though, using the plugins is very easy to live with. Live does so much in real-time (without even sacrificing the graphic redraws) that I couldn't reasonably ask for more. I'm still worshipping at the Temple of Ableton.
I personally use the waves REQ instead mostly, ( it's a long way ahead of the ableton one) so I like the way it works really

How does the waves plugs work with Live? I'm thinking about problems with latency and stuff. I have some 3rd party plugins - for example Vintagewarmer - that I can only use with Logic as Live doesn't have latency compensation.

Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:21 pm

noisetonepause wrote:
burgessa23 wrote:I use live and logic and will probably upgrade mailny for the distributed processing feature, my old 400 mhz powerbook may not be much good running everything, but as a dedicated space designer box it'll fly!!
AFAIK the distributed processing only works for G5 and Gigabit Ethernet equipped machines... soz!

-Paws

And not busses, which is where you ususally put those SpaceDesigner plug-ins in Logic.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:51 pm

Per Boysen wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:
burgessa23 wrote:I use live and logic and will probably upgrade mailny for the distributed processing feature, my old 400 mhz powerbook may not be much good running everything, but as a dedicated space designer box it'll fly!!
AFAIK the distributed processing only works for G5 and Gigabit Ethernet equipped machines... soz!

-Paws
And not busses, which is where you ususally put those SpaceDesigner plug-ins in Logic.

ouch! talk about missed opportunities! yikes. BTW, The winXP users can just buy FXteleport and get that load distribution. -although that might just work with vstis/vsts.

http://www.fx-max.com/fxt/

forge · Post by **forge** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:56 pm

jack rock wrote:
forge wrote:
majestic wrote: Yeah, I just miss having EQ built into the mixer on each channel, as I EQ just about everything. I guess it's been omitted because of the additional CPU it'd soak up, but if it were there but not activated, it shouldn't be a problem, right?

Not complaining at all though, using the plugins is very easy to live with. Live does so much in real-time (without even sacrificing the graphic redraws) that I couldn't reasonably ask for more. I'm still worshipping at the Temple of Ableton.
I personally use the waves REQ instead mostly, ( it's a long way ahead of the ableton one) so I like the way it works really
How does the waves plugs work with Live? I'm thinking about problems with latency and stuff. I have some 3rd party plugins - for example Vintagewarmer - that I can only use with Logic as Live doesn't have latency compensation.

there are one or two that are a bit problematic, the 'Ultrapitch' being one where the latency is unworkable, but on the whole they're ok

that PDC would be pretty high on the priority list I would imagine, it's pretty important

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:00 am

I just have to say that this title is silly.

I own both Logic and Live, and really wouldn't have it any other way. Until Live isn't a total CPU pig, and has a little less attachment to it's "single interface" concept.... seriously, think about messing with MIDI in the piano editor, you end up stretching it to fit most of the screen anyway, why is this "better" than screensets??? I spend a little too much time in Live resizing things....
My guess is Logic 7 still will not gracefully open new songs in seconds; something needed in a live environment. Live does instant remixes of your own songs better than anything. I just don't see how they're that similar really.

Also, this little application Wormhole is about to make the whole Mac VS PC debate just as ridiculous IMO, audio streaming VIA ethernet between PC and Mac!! plug in a couple MIDI boxes, and BAM! Zebra and Pluggo on PC and Zeta+ and all those synth edit synths on Mac!
The one thing keeping me from buying a PC has been the dread of having to port things between platforms, that's history now!