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Hello,

I haven´t spend much time with the pitch~ external so far.
You might check if fiddle~ works better for you
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html
Also, i think it´s possible to translate the pitch data to CC data as well.

best,
Christian

if you are on mac os x, you should really use "sigmund~" instead of fiddle~ / pitch~ - it is more up to date and more powerful. however, if you are having trouble understanding pitch~ then maybe wait a while before delving into sigmund~. (i successfully edited christian's patch for use with sigmund~). you can find the sigmund~ object here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html . the key to all these externals is playing with settings - you will understand pitch~ if you set up a patch where you can dynamically interact with all the threshold settings and the like. a small note - if you are brand new to max/msp, be patient and study all the tutorials! it took me ages before i could make sense of things like fiddle~!!!

It sounds like you have a rounding error. pitch~ reports a floating point midi note number. When it gets converted to an integer, it gets truncated. For example, if you play a C# that is slightly flat, pitch~ might output 60.99. Truncated, that becomes 60, or C-natural. Use the round object after pitch~ (or add 0.5, which works for positive numbers).

mz

Unfortunately (in this case) I am on Windows and can't try "sigmund~" ... (till anybody compiles it that way ... )

But thanks to all of you for your help and encouragement!

kleine wrote:Here´s a quick attempt on pitchtracking:

1. download the pitch~ external from http://web.media.mit.edu/~tristan/maxmsp.html and
place it in your Max/Msp external folder

2. download my example set from http://tiny.cc/zJjBx

I hope this works for you.
It´s not very accurate yet and needs some finetuning...

Best,
Christian

Christian-
Thanks for pointing me to this, is there any way you could repost that example? It seems the link has expired.
best
Scott

Does that mean that with M4L it would e.g. be possible ...

- to enter MIDI-notes via singing into a microphone or playing the saxophone instead of having to draw the notes in the midi-editor?

- to sing and get the closest tone played on e.g. the piano to have a reference for ear-training/singing-training and perhaps even get an indicator of how wrong / off pitch I sing or play? (At the moment I'm using the TC-Helicon VoiceTone Correct for that purpose, but it doesn't have a midi out.)

If so, I'd buy M4L at once

@TheAnimal,

yes, it is totally possible. this stuff is very easy in max/msp, but not so easy in maxforlive. in maxforlive you need to deal with global send/receives and / or OSC, and these solutions involve an unpredictable tiny delay (up to as much as 10ms apparently) because of devices residing in different 'threads' (i think).

apparently, this is a limit of m4l v1, and there will be a more solid solution in m4l v2. so cyclings/abes have said.

hope that helps.

Here´s a new URL for the small pitchtracking example:
http://tinyurl.com/yf6kpx7

best,
Christian

kleine wrote:Here´s a new URL for the small pitchtracking example:
http://tinyurl.com/yf6kpx7

best,
Christian

Thanks, having fun with this so far! The send/receive object is very helpful. I can see that between pitch~, sigmund~ and fiddle~, there are many, many possibilities for pitch tracking, depending on the use and the instrument. Right now a gate before the tracking plugin seems to be a good way to minimize the tracking of noise. This is why Ben Neill uses a special pick up in the mouthpiece of his trumpet, in order to avoid picking up background noise. I think the hardware that he uses for pitch tracking is a Roland VS-20 (any Roland engineers on this thread?

exaltron wrote: This is why Ben Neill uses a special pick up in the mouthpiece of his trumpet, in order to avoid picking up background noise.

Probably a piezo that picks up the instruments vibrations only.

kleine wrote:Here´s a new URL for the small pitchtracking example:
http://tinyurl.com/yf6kpx7

best,
Christian

Hi Christian,

Many thanks for the effort!
But can you please upload to another hosting service? I've been trying to get it - without a pro account - without any luck.

zigzag wrote: Hi Christian,

Many thanks for the effort!
But can you please upload to another hosting service? I've been trying to get it - without a pro account - without any luck.

Hi, I was able to download without a pro account. I think they just try to steer you towards the paid service to get a "faster download". But if you look carefully there is an option for free downloading.

exaltron wrote:

zigzag wrote: Hi Christian,

Many thanks for the effort!
But can you please upload to another hosting service? I've been trying to get it - without a pro account - without any luck.

Hi, I was able to download without a pro account. I think they just try to steer you towards the paid service to get a "faster download". But if you look carefully there is an option for free downloading.

Hello
I really tried the free option. All i get is
Currently a lot of users are downloading files. Please try again in 2 minutes or become a Premium member
I got this about 40 times now. I really don't think rapidshare is the place to share, particularly when they come from Ableton staff.
Just my 2$.

Right, i checked it and i also got this when trying to use the free option:
"Unfortunately right now our servers are overloaded and we have no more download slots left for non-members. Of course you can also try again later."
I´m sorry for this. I don´t have any hosting capabilities at hand.

best,
Christian

Christian, if you can re-upload this and send me the link we wouldn't mind hosting it.
andreas.