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what about mixer with bpm detection and midi, then setting live to get clock from that source? kaoss pad should work. problem is that bpm detection is not accurate on korg devices.

Me and my buddy started jammin' with a metronome and once we got the hang of it, it opened up a bunch of new possibilities.. The fact that you can build the song up and give the illusion (earlusion? ) of speeding up, yet you're really still at a steady tempo, is what makes it interesting a lot of the time..

aeon_flux wrote:what about mixer with bpm detection and midi, then setting live to get clock from that source? kaoss pad should work. problem is that bpm detection is not accurate on korg devices.

Not enough accurate. Nice try !

outershpongolia wrote:Me and my buddy started jammin' with a metronome and once we got the hang of it, it opened up a bunch of new possibilities.. The fact that you can build the song up and give the illusion (earlusion? ) of speeding up, yet you're really still at a steady tempo, is what makes it interesting a lot of the time..

I totally understand this but this is not the point. I want to trig UP or DOWN the tempo on the fly.

Thanks

How often do the drums need to speed up or slow down?

I know it's a pain but your drummer could use a rotary (endless) knob to go +1 or -1 on the tempo.. Each click of the knob would be 1 value up or down.. but he'd have to do it with a knob so I guess that's less than ideal, but it's worth a shot if he can pull it off..

It does suck that there isn't tempo up/down just like scenes.. it'd work perfect.

http://www.elec.qmul.ac.uk/people/markp ... 7-nime.pdf

B-Keeper
It's a Max patch.

I actually use Scene tempo changes and it works good !!
Using a knob for someone who got two sticks in his hand is just an impossible way to do it. And will probably be inaccurate as I will need to define value betweem (40bpm to 160 bpm).

But thanks for proposing

See ya

outershpongolia wrote:How often do the drums need to speed up or slow down?

I know it's a pain but your drummer could use a rotary (endless) knob to go +1 or -1 on the tempo.. Each click of the knob would be 1 value up or down.. but he'd have to do it with a knob so I guess that's less than ideal, but it's worth a shot if he can pull it off..

It does suck that there isn't tempo up/down just like scenes.. it'd work perfect.

You made my Christmas Eve !! Can't wait to try this !!
Sound promising with the demo I've seen

http://www.b-keeper.org/

Video demo : http://www.elec.qmul.ac.uk/digitalmusic ... index.html

from the PDF above :

This enables musicians to interact with electronic parts which are triggered
automatically by the computer from performance information. We describe an implementation which functions with the sequencer Ableton Live. (... more)
(I can't copy and paste what I want easily

bulo wrote:http://www.elec.qmul.ac.uk/people/markp ... 7-nime.pdf

B-Keeper
It's a Max patch.

transology wrote:

aeon_flux wrote:what about mixer with bpm detection and midi, then setting live to get clock from that source? kaoss pad should work. problem is that bpm detection is not accurate on korg devices.

Not enough accurate. Nice try !

then what about such christmas present? http://www.ploytec.com/34one/

transology wrote:

aeon_flux wrote:what about mixer with bpm detection and midi, then setting live to get clock from that source? kaoss pad should work. problem is that bpm detection is not accurate on korg devices.

Not enough accurate. Nice try !

korg is just an example. there are for sure other devices with bpm detection that can serve midi clock. and maybe korg will be stable if you feed it with just kick drum of your live player...

That B-Keeper looks flipping amazing. Where do you go from there? Artificial intelligence?? Scale detection? haha

Wouldn't a MIDI mapping to the TAP tempo button work?

infiniteloom wrote:Wouldn't a MIDI mapping to the TAP tempo button work?

thanks, infiniteloom!
That's what I think when this question comes up,
but maybe we are to simple...

but BKeeper does look amazing, of course...

malutki wrote:

infiniteloom wrote:Wouldn't a MIDI mapping to the TAP tempo button work?

thanks, infiniteloom!
That's what I think when this question comes up,
but maybe we are to simple...

This only works if your kick drum is constantly 4/4 as off beat hits will alter the tempo.

nitevision wrote:

malutki wrote:

infiniteloom wrote:Wouldn't a MIDI mapping to the TAP tempo button work?

thanks, infiniteloom!
That's what I think when this question comes up,
but maybe we are to simple...

This only works if your kick drum is constantly 4/4 as off beat hits will alter the tempo.

An not even thinking about kick-drum breaks, silence, groove changing lol. And this would be way too responsive.