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SubFunk wrote:

julienb wrote:buy a BCR 2000

well, that is exactly what some of us want to avoid.

Why is that? Don't like the BCR?

BC2000 is reliable,fast,customizable,full of encoders, buttons etc.
nice stuff
and very cheap

BEHRINGER

if there is a way to avoid this company then i avoid it. even the BCR/BCF are (the only behringer) units that are OK, but the built is just well, behringer.

it's a hit and miss with their products, buying behringer is like playing the lottery, you never now when you hit one that works.

SubFunk wrote:BEHRINGER

it's a hit and miss with their products, buying behringer is like playing the lottery, you never now when you hit one that works.

that would be Novation in my case(excluding Launchpad,no experience with that) :
two nocturns and one remote sl 37 where the knobs started to act strange(jumping) after the warranty ended.
no disrespect to Novation,i loved Automap,and would certainly love their controllers if they had something like Akai build-quality,and please :

more spacing between those knobs.even a Hobbit can't play with those.grrrrr.........

33tetragammon wrote:that would be Novation in my case(excluding Launchpad,no experience with that) :
two nocturns and one remote sl 37 where the knobs started to act strange(jumping) after the warranty ended.

Same thing happened to my KS Rack.
Only to the effin Filter section though, some random fun sounds, but nothing usable. ever.

julienb wrote:

BC2000 is reliable,fast,customizable,full of encoders, buttons etc.
nice stuff
and very cheap

Love the concept of the BCR, but I bought it new and out of the box 2 rotary's where having problems (getting stuck, ghost jumps, ...).
Other rotary's also start to have propblems
Sad thing is that I had some negative experiences with other Behringer products also (mixers, fx, ...).

I removed all behringer stuff out of my studio a few years ago (exept for the BCR that is) and live is easier.
Sorry, but you can't say behringer is reliable (only when you have one of the good units )

my bcr is working well after 2 years. i only really use it in traktor...actually prefer using a mouse and keyboard to produce. the bcr handles my traktor setup perfectly. all midi controllers should hav led lights like the bcr. so useful.

re.mark wrote:

33tetragammon wrote:that would be Novation in my case(excluding Launchpad,no experience with that) :
two nocturns and one remote sl 37 where the knobs started to act strange(jumping) after the warranty ended.

Same thing happened to my KS Rack.
Only to the effin Filter section though, some random fun sounds, but nothing usable. ever.

same thing happened to my KS4 keyboard. Such a shame, Its such a deep VA synth, but the cost of repair just doesnt seem worth it.

SubFunk wrote:BEHRINGER

if there is a way to avoid this company then i avoid it. even the BCR/BCF are (the only behringer) units that are OK, but the built is just well, behringer.

it's a hit and miss with their products, buying behringer is like playing the lottery, you never now when you hit one that works.

Must have had a win with the DDM4000. Great mixer IMO, and MIDI on it is awesome!

A few edits... scrapped 4Device control sections ... only have two hands anyway. Dedicated tap tempo, loop scrub, loop In/out, transpose, a quantize section and tempo slider. the clip select section would be navigated almost like the 40 but only a row of 8 clips. Green is the selected clip, red are loaded clips in session view. The eight buttons on bottom by crossfade are user assignable as are 5 track control banks.
not quite an apc "32" anymore but more of what I'd like.



As for all the behringer discussion. Never touched anything Behringer except for some half decent patch bays. Big fan of Akai personally and don't see a reason not to stick with what I like. APC20 seemed a step in the opposite direction I would have liked Akai to go. Biggest advantage of the APC over the BCR imho is that the APC is dedicated to the software i use rather than an everything to everyone controller. That and the visual feedback.

guys, really, you should build yours.
you'd be so satisfied at the end.
midibox framework is well documented, full of experts and ... full open-source!
the last core module handles OSC, provides USB etc etc...

julienb wrote:guys, really, you should build yours.
you'd be so satisfied at the end.
midibox framework is well documented, full of experts and ... full open-source!
the last core module handles OSC, provides USB etc etc...

A lot of us just don't have time to do it unfortunately! You are lucky in that regard.

ze2be wrote:

julienb wrote:guys, really, you should build yours.
you'd be so satisfied at the end.
midibox framework is well documented, full of experts and ... full open-source!
the last core module handles OSC, provides USB etc etc...

A lot of us just don't have time to do it unfortunately! You are lucky in that regard.

if you don't have time, just take it.
I only have 24h like all of us, but I just decided to make it
limits are only in mind, really.

julienb wrote:if you don't have time, just take it.
I only have 24h like all of us, but I just decided to make it
limits are in mind, really.

Great, so you will build it for me then? I also want to make a controller, as you know. But with all the projects im involved in, I don't have time until about 9 months still. But you know, its easy to say: "just do it, I did!" Its not necessarily as easy for others, and a lot might not even want to do it at all!

ze2be wrote:

julienb wrote:if you don't have time, just take it.
I only have 24h like all of us, but I just decided to make it
limits are in mind, really.

Great, so you will build it for me then? I also want to make a controller, as you know. But with all the projects im involved in, I don't have time until about 9 months still. But you know, its easy to say: "just do it, I did!" Its not necessarily as easy for others, and a lot might not even want to do it at all!

I'm involved in a lot of things too.
I just want to encourage people to do that, because it is a very good way.
If you really want to make something, you can make it. I'm convinced about that.