echoplex?!?!?!
Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:28 am
The previously mentioned method of having tracks postitioned one successive step down as one changes scenes is very handy for switching from track to track and controlling each clip. However, myself (and many others) are trying to emulate the relatively simple operation of (in my opinion) the most versatile/streamlined combo, the Gibson Echoplex. The repeater is right there, but as far as simplicity and functionality combined goes, the Echoplex does quite well. Anyway:
-I still need to perform a real "overdub" function, which the above method doesn't satisfy. In other words, record a loop, send it into looping, THEN, be able to record another layer (that might not be the same length) over the first loop, hit play, and have that loop lock up to the first loop. That means the overdubbed loop plays over the first loop at the same point you originally had overdubbed it. With the previously mentioned Live configuration, you create the first loop in the first scene. Then, you arrow down to the next scene to do an "overdub". You do a short phrase over the middle of the first loop. Hit play after the loop is done. The second loop will continue to loop over itself and not in sync with the first loop! I hope that makes sense. In other words:
Echoplex:
Record Record (begins looping)
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
then the overdub,
```````````````Overdub
```````````````XXXXXX
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
the XXXXXX loop will always play at the same place in that overdubbed loop (one time in the middle of the longer "OOOOO" loop)
Live's setup:
Record Play (begins looping)
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
then switch scenes to new clip overdub,
``````````````Record/Play
``````````````XXXXXX
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The XXXXXX loop will loop over itself instead of syncing with the first loop:
XXXXXX/XXXXXX/XXXXXX/XXXXXX/XXXXXX
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
While recording the overdub loop, I suppose one could just wait until the first loop cycled all the way through to the beginning of where you started the second loop, but that's way too hokey and invites additional elements of unnecessary error.
As far as quantization goes, I had poor results using the "global/trigger/bar" setting. At least for me, when you try to record, say, I short two bar loop with those settings, my loop will add a bunch of dead space (silence) onto the end of my two bars. The only way I can get a real good loop is to set quantization to "none" and go from there! Maybe my settings aren't tweaked right yet, but go ahead, try to record a short phrase with those settings. I've tried to look around in the forums, and I notice people talking about the importance of the "1 bar" setting. I understand this would work like a charm if the tempo and bars were clearly staked at the beginning and end of the loop, but Live doesn't seem to doo that very well with my on the fly loops.
Wow that was windy! If anyone made it to the end of my garbage, thank you in advance! Some help would be very appeciated! I'm new, but still tried to find answers all over the forum and came up empty on these issues.
Jason
-I still need to perform a real "overdub" function, which the above method doesn't satisfy. In other words, record a loop, send it into looping, THEN, be able to record another layer (that might not be the same length) over the first loop, hit play, and have that loop lock up to the first loop. That means the overdubbed loop plays over the first loop at the same point you originally had overdubbed it. With the previously mentioned Live configuration, you create the first loop in the first scene. Then, you arrow down to the next scene to do an "overdub". You do a short phrase over the middle of the first loop. Hit play after the loop is done. The second loop will continue to loop over itself and not in sync with the first loop! I hope that makes sense. In other words:
Echoplex:
Record Record (begins looping)
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
then the overdub,
```````````````Overdub
```````````````XXXXXX
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
the XXXXXX loop will always play at the same place in that overdubbed loop (one time in the middle of the longer "OOOOO" loop)
Live's setup:
Record Play (begins looping)
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
then switch scenes to new clip overdub,
``````````````Record/Play
``````````````XXXXXX
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The XXXXXX loop will loop over itself instead of syncing with the first loop:
XXXXXX/XXXXXX/XXXXXX/XXXXXX/XXXXXX
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
While recording the overdub loop, I suppose one could just wait until the first loop cycled all the way through to the beginning of where you started the second loop, but that's way too hokey and invites additional elements of unnecessary error.
As far as quantization goes, I had poor results using the "global/trigger/bar" setting. At least for me, when you try to record, say, I short two bar loop with those settings, my loop will add a bunch of dead space (silence) onto the end of my two bars. The only way I can get a real good loop is to set quantization to "none" and go from there! Maybe my settings aren't tweaked right yet, but go ahead, try to record a short phrase with those settings. I've tried to look around in the forums, and I notice people talking about the importance of the "1 bar" setting. I understand this would work like a charm if the tempo and bars were clearly staked at the beginning and end of the loop, but Live doesn't seem to doo that very well with my on the fly loops.
Wow that was windy! If anyone made it to the end of my garbage, thank you in advance! Some help would be very appeciated! I'm new, but still tried to find answers all over the forum and came up empty on these issues.
Jason