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HeadrickProductions wrote:It's like rats from a sinking ship....

Cubase is solid....give it a try, but reason 5 is on the horizon so you might want to consider waiting a little bit

will reason 5 support VST?

zee verkawound wrote:

HeadrickProductions wrote:It's like rats from a sinking ship....

Cubase is solid....give it a try, but reason 5 is on the horizon so you might want to consider waiting a little bit

will reason 5 support VST?

It's not even announced yet. But I'm 100 percent sure that Reason 5 will not have VST support. And I like it that way... I don't even use VSTs in Ableton, that's why it's stable for me.

Cubase is more precise for me with editing overall, midi and audio, + love how the things are organized in it's GUI (detachable windows, and a simple right click toolbox with scissor does it for me)a better mixerview, wished Ableton had this too.

Midi editing and audio is much faster and easier in Cubase overall and much more precise.

I wished Ableton had this, for years now.

mholloway wrote:

evon wrote:I loved the sound, seemed more "jucier" than Live and more natural.

There is definately something more about this engine.

No, there isn't.

I think Cubase is great and all (I own 5 and it's great but mostly collects dust thanks to Live), but it's kind of tiring to see again and again how people think their mix sounds "not good enough" in one DAW and so then decide they are attracted to a completley different DAW because "it just sounds better." No data, no backup, just "it definitely sounds better." But see, the thing is, your ears, and more importantly your perception, is totally subjective. Even just the "newness factor" of cubase could be coloring your perception. I'd say buy it and get it for specific features and functionality that you want. But to buy it because "the engine is clearly better" is really a load of wank. It's not going to make your songs just magically sound "better" because it's Cubase and not Live. You could have started with Cubase and come the other way....

do a search on DAW and Mix Bus Summing. Read the results -- people have tested this shit time and time again.

all my dumb opinions on that stuff aside, though, Cubase 5 is a really good DAW. the best parts of 5 imo are VariAudio in the sample editor and the new convultion reverb. frankly grooveagent and beatmash are just toys...the former having absolutely nothing on Live Racks (or battery for that matter). but man, talk about a NICE (let alone real) sample editor...!! plus the mixer window is great.

-M

Yes but as strange as this might sound, there seems to be some art in the maths somewhere. I believe it has to be in the algorithm, the coding methods or probably some little "trick of the trade" that some DAWs have.

I use the same system setup for both DAWs and with cubase the sounds just seem to fit together better. It could be that it simply allows me to spend more time customizing/adjusting the areas that I would prefer to be customizing. So instead of having to be adjusting too much of the basic characteristics that each sound should have anyway, it allows me more freedom to create right off the bat. More like an analog atmosphere.

I dunno.

You probably feel more comfortable using Cubase's mixer and like some of the extra plugins included, but in a null test where you use the same audio files, same pan law, same gain and no plugins, or 3rd party plugins at the same settings, Cubase and Live sound the same.

I prefer to mix in Cubase too, because of it's great dual monitor support and better mixer windows (with extended mixer views), and that can give a perception that it sounds better but it's a correctional bias/placebo type effect. Of course if you use the inbuilt plugins and prefer them, you're more likely to say that with Variaudio to tidy up vocals and monophonic instruments, Reverence (or even roomworks) compared to Live's reverb and the better amp sim type stuff that Cubase sounds better, but you can always use 3rd party FX in Live to negate this, or to be even better (say if you bought Melodyne, SIR2, and Guitar Rig).

I just appreciate both for different reasons. Live is my creative mojo and I am comfortable enough using it to mix down my own electronic work, but I prefer to mix in Cubase because I can run more tracks at lower latency, it has better dual monitor support and better mixer views. Having said all of this, if I had to choose one, I'd probably choose Live, because I find it so much easier and fun to compose with and there are usually workarounds for the stuff it doesn't do as well, Cubase's Arranger / Play Arrange is much weaker, racking things up requires more effort and just sketching out and jamming ideas is more fun in Live.

zee verkawound wrote:

HeadrickProductions wrote:It's like rats from a sinking ship....

Cubase is solid....give it a try, but reason 5 is on the horizon so you might want to consider waiting a little bit

will reason 5 support VST?

You see..probably that is where the secret lies. Probably we dont need all this customizability, especially with something as complex as a DAW.

I cant forget the Bill Gates revolution.Perhaps to keep thir product wholesome and along the same track with which they had it built in the first place, the DAW buildersshould protect this by only allowing customization in designated groupings. Notice that all the great sounding DAWs have this in common. They just dont allow ad hoc customization. I guess this proves that we are still oh so young in the DAw industry.

That could be another reason why Live seems so awesome, because if it can do what it does right now, imagine What a force it will be when it can sound like these DAWs off the bat.

MOD, move this thread to "the lounge" or better delete this "viral marketing" thread.

Threadautor can you start new thread with title : "Taking a look Ableton Live" in this forum, please:
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewforum. ... 680d7732fa


thx.

romanh wrote:MOD, move this thread to "the lounge" or better delete this "viral marketing" thread.

Threadautor can you start new thread with title : "Taking a look Ableton Live" in this forum, please:
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewforum. ... 680d7732fa


thx.

what's your problem? having your period?

this is the ableton forum and not some moderated nazi shit. visit others if you don't like it around here, we love our freedom.

Tarekith wrote:I love the workflow in Cubase, especially the audio editing, best I've ever used. If it wasn't for that damn dongle....

this

romanh wrote:MOD, move this thread to "the lounge" or better delete this "viral marketing" thread.

Threadautor can you start new thread with title : "Taking a look Ableton Live" in this forum, please:
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewforum. ... 680d7732fa


thx.

Live dosen't need any selling. Live is real.Live is in a class by itself. Therefore we can talk freely on this forum.

drako wrote:Cubase is more precise for me with editing overall, midi and audio, + love how the things are organized in it's GUI (detachable windows, and a simple right click toolbox with scissor does it for me)a better mixerview, wished Ableton had this too.

Midi editing and audio is much faster and easier in Cubase overall and much more precise.

I wished Ableton had this, for years now.

oops...didn't read the whole thread but this as well...

arctic ranger wrote:

drako wrote:Cubase is more precise for me with editing overall, midi and audio, + love how the things are organized in it's GUI (detachable windows, and a simple right click toolbox with scissor does it for me)a better mixerview, wished Ableton had this too.

Midi editing and audio is much faster and easier in Cubase overall and much more precise.

I wished Ableton had this, for years now.

oops...didn't read the whole thread but this as well...

i find this thread very amusing, remembering all those threads why is PT or Cubase or Logic or DP, etc. more around in studios and considered standard.

and arguing that live is so much better.

and now you give yourselfs the answers

arctic ranger wrote:

Tarekith wrote:I love the workflow in Cubase, especially the audio editing, best I've ever used. If it wasn't for that damn dongle....

this

Ahh...that's the word "precise" that was my thought on listening to cubase. I think it was more noticeable because of the genre I work with...reggae. The tails seem to come through more nicer sounding. That is what I meant when I said "the sound seems to fit better".
Is it the coding?

SubFunk wrote:

romanh wrote:MOD, move this thread to "the lounge" or better delete this "viral marketing" thread.

Threadautor can you start new thread with title : "Taking a look Ableton Live" in this forum, please:
http://www.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewforum. ... 680d7732fa


thx.

what's your problem? having your period?

this is the ableton forum and not some moderated nazi shit. visit others if you don't like it around here, we love our freedom.

Right, my problem is "this is the ABLETON FORUM" not cubase marketing forum.
And you are "nazi shit": cubase nazi shit fan.