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SubFunk wrote:HDs are so utterly 'random' in there performance (ALL of them), that's why a backup less then 2 - 3 times is plain suicide... you never know when those shit things collapse, ANY of them and ANY given time... even a glyph drive.

+1

It's not "if" they are going to fail, it's "when".

Should have bought a Caviar Black...

All drives die. Make backups.

SubFunk wrote:seagate or previous maxtor (now belongs to seagate) all the way for audio, quietest drives around superb performance...

not so with seagate's Expansion drive. i had a new 1tb drive that was borked *click-chicka click-chicka* and got 2 subsequent replacements from seagate that all had the same click of doom. there's a +200 posts thread over at their forum.

going to give the samsung story station a go

shuutobi wrote:Should have bought a Caviar Black...

All drives die. Make backups.

wrong..I've maybe had 3 drives fail on me in 10 years..and 2 that were corrupt from the get-go..that were replaced (both WD)..
out of about 25 total..
and it was when I opted for a cheap deal..or bought at a "shady" store..
I've always thought that the mybook is a scheme of putting B-stock hard drives/refurbished back into the market in a fancy box..
now I know that for sure...

Hitachi FTW... never had any problems with their drives ..
problem is most shops have WD/Seagate in stock over here..

3dot... wrote:'mybook'... garbage..

Absolutely. I bought 2 of them at the same time. Both died within a month of each other about a year after purchase. Checked my UPS backup software. No reported surges, spikes, dropouts.

Complete shite.

3dot... wrote:

shuutobi wrote:Should have bought a Caviar Black...

All drives die. Make backups.

wrong..I've maybe had 3 drives fail on me in 10 years..and 2 that were corrupt from the get-go..that were replaced (both WD)..
out of about 25 total..
and it was when I opted for a cheap deal..or bought at a "shady" store..
I've always thought that the mybook is a scheme of putting B-stock hard drives/refurbished back into the market in a fancy box..
now I know that for sure...

Hitachi FTW... never had any problems with their drives ..
problem is most shops have WD/Seagate in stock over here..

All mechanical devices will eventually die. Some just tend to last longer than others.
The longest living drive I've ever had was a 20GB Maxtor from 1998. (Would not recommend Maxtor these days)

shuutobi wrote:

3dot... wrote:

shuutobi wrote:Should have bought a Caviar Black...

All drives die. Make backups.

wrong..I've maybe had 3 drives fail on me in 10 years..and 2 that were corrupt from the get-go..that were replaced (both WD)..
out of about 25 total..
and it was when I opted for a cheap deal..or bought at a "shady" store..
I've always thought that the mybook is a scheme of putting B-stock hard drives/refurbished back into the market in a fancy box..
now I know that for sure...

Hitachi FTW... never had any problems with their drives ..
problem is most shops have WD/Seagate in stock over here..

All mechanical devices will eventually die. Some just tend to last longer than others.
The longest living drive I've ever had was a 20GB Maxtor from 1998. (Would not recommend Maxtor these days)

granted.. but hd are usually long-lasting compared to other mechanical devices..
and yeah.. I still have 8gb Maxtor IDE hds..... though I haven't hooked them up in a while..

I FUCKING HATE WD!!!! Before parting ways with my former business partner I bought a WD 500 gig Mybook. It had all of my songs from our studio computer. After I moved I downloaded maybe 3 of my tracks from the thing out of about 150 songs. One morning I turned it on and accidentally knocked out the usb cable. IT complete fucked it. They sent me a new one but come on I had it for less than a month and it totally fucked me out of all my data. It was my back up until I bought a computer big enough to hold the previous song files and wow all gone!!!

I should add that the they gave me for free has been going strong for about 3 years now but I only plug it in to back up data then unplug everything!

3dot... wrote:

cotdagoo wrote:surge protector used at all? anything else damaged by the same surge?

yes I use a surge protector.. and nothing else was damaged...
the thing is it loads but says I need to format in order to use...
will try that and maybe use 'recuva' after..see what I can salvage..

I hope I'm not too late to post this...

3Dot, you should NOT format first. Run a "deep scan" with Recuva. Preferably, if you can, with the hard disk directly connected to your PC via IDE or SATA. Not necessary but will assist the speed of the scan.

Any results, be prepared to have enough space on ANOTHER hard disk to do a recovery. DO NOT recover back to the same drive!

Edit: I own about ~8 Western Digital hard disks, first one was something like a 12GB from probably 10 years ago +. They ALL still work. The only one that died on me was a 500GB model that showed SMART errors within 20 minutes of use. Never had that with a WD drive before, could just of likely have been poor handling during transit. WD and Samsung would be my choices (Spinpoint F3s are excellent overall, for performance and low-noise), Seagate, Hitachi and Maxtor: I've seen too many die.

3dot... wrote:'mybook'... garbage..

That might be the problem right there. Their "book" line of drives are kind of low end consumer garbage...with an attractive price.

I use WD drives all the time and haven't had any issues to date.

Just got 2 new WD 1 TB SATA drives for my studio machine. They are warranteed for 5 years. I always have redundant back ups and have had a few drives WD, Seagate, Maxtor and Lacie all die on me.

Nature of hard drives.

chis wrote:

3dot... wrote:

cotdagoo wrote:surge protector used at all? anything else damaged by the same surge?

yes I use a surge protector.. and nothing else was damaged...
the thing is it loads but says I need to format in order to use...
will try that and maybe use 'recuva' after..see what I can salvage..

I hope I'm not too late to post this...

3Dot, you should NOT format first. Run a "deep scan" with Recuva. Preferably, if you can, with the hard disk directly connected to your PC via IDE or SATA. Not necessary but will assist the speed of the scan.

Any results, be prepared to have enough space on ANOTHER hard disk to do a recovery. DO NOT recover back to the same drive!

Edit: I own about ~8 Western Digital hard disks, first one was something like a 12GB from probably 10 years ago +. They ALL still work. The only one that died on me was a 500GB model that showed SMART errors within 20 minutes of use. Never had that with a WD drive before, could just of likely have been poor handling during transit. WD and Samsung would be my choices (Spinpoint F3s are excellent overall, for performance and low-noise), Seagate, Hitachi and Maxtor: I've seen too many die.

..man I can't even get it to format..
and recuva can't access it either..
I'm thinking the usb/fw controller of this box is toast..
(which may be a good thing cause it means the hd may be alright)
gonna open it up..connect it through sata...(sometime during the weekend)

it's a 500gb drive and I've got everything backed up guys thanks for the worry..
still.. that's 500gb of real-estate..maybe salvageable

beats me wrote:

3dot... wrote:'mybook'... garbage..

That might be the problem right there. Their "book" line of drives are kind of low end consumer garbage...with an attractive price.

I use WD drives all the time and haven't had any issues to date.

meh. Other 'low end' devices work just fine without the shit track record of the MyBook. Several Maxtor lines are a good example.

All my hardrives fail on me audio and video give them a good workout, and they are mechanical devices.
Samsung is supposed to be really good giving you a new drive when it fails and Korea is the new Japan anyway their shit kicks ass!

3dot... wrote:they self-destruct after a year approx.
my backup drive just died after a power surge..

Is your WD drive just a hard drive or one of those hard drive+enclosure consumer items? If it's the latter, & call the company & get permission to take it out of the enclosure. Then try to mount it by using another enclosure or dock, or putting it inside a computer.

One of the LaCie drive/enclosure that died on me was still under warranty. Rather than just violate the warranty, I called support & got permission to remove it from the enclosure without violating warranty in an attempt to salvage the data. Popped it in a space enclosure & it mounted fine. I saved all the data, put it back into it's original enclosure, sent it to LaCie, & was sent a replacement.

The thing is to get their permission so that you don't violate your warranty. If they won't give you permission, then you can decide if having them replace it (if they even will -check the terms of your warranty) is preferable to trying to
save the data. What's more important: the drive or the data?

Sometimes it is the enclosure & not the drive that is the problem. Is your drive making the 'click of death'?