Imagine if a car company sold a car they thought was finished but turned out to have some issues with the accelerator. Maybe not thousands but definitely dozens of casualties.fisto wrote:well as it seems to me Live 8 is no way a professional programm. Imagine if a car company made cars which are not finished but sells them anyway and tests them on normal people.......1000s of deads.
Should save you guys some time.fisto wrote:well as it seems to me Live 8 is no way a professional programm. Imagine
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Yeah. And what a brilliant excuse on my part it is. I'm not saying Live can't become stable without your help. And I definitely know a thing or two about being stubborn and sticking to the principles of "I bought it, make it work you #@é#&".fisto wrote:well it also seems that the bugreports don't help either, Live 8 is one year old already and still in beta-state, that clearly says that bug reports don't do much to improvement of the software. Right? It seems rather that Live8 is getting worse through their efforts to make it stable.
It's just an excuse: "Oh you're not sending bugreports, so don't expect Live to become stable".
People wake up, it's not our job to do that. You release a product when it's finished not when it's half finished or nearly finished, you do it when it's FINISHED.
The biggest problem for me is when it crashes, the most part I have to restart because i can't quit life from the tasklist. It just stays in there which makes a reboot necessary on XP.
well, i think this is where it all goes totally wrong with ableton, public beta testing in the state of Live 8 is just WRONG, you can go public beta when you deal with some minor issues left, to iron out the last bits and pieces, but not like with Live 8 which is in such a mess and packed with major, not minor bugs, i really don't understand why on earth they are not creating a closed beta test circle until it can go out to the public, Live 8 is an embarrassment for the company since a year, keep it closed testing it for long enough to be able to go public.hoffman2k wrote:You don't report your bugs, they may not know about it, bug doesn't get fixed. Simple as that.
GAFM ***exactly what I am thinkingSubFunk wrote:well, i think this is where it all goes totally wrong with ableton, public beta testing in the state of Live 8 is just WRONG, you can go public beta when you deal with some minor issues left, to iron out the last bits and pieces, but not like with Live 8 which is in such a mess and packed with major, not minor bugs, i really don't understand why on earth they are not creating a closed beta test circle until it can go out to the public, Live 8 is an embarrassment for the company since a year, keep it closed test it long enough to be able to go public.hoffman2k wrote:You don't report your bugs, they may not know about it, bug doesn't get fixed. Simple as that.
why oh why don't they do that? no they rather turn to many people into unwanted testers, i mean the amount of people i know with severe problems who don't report anything at all is huge, and i do understand that you don't want to do that for an application that is that super expensive, i mean the suite with m4l is about 1000 euros for christ's sake... who on earth wants to be a forced tester for that???
this way they turn love into hate.
I suppose thats where our views differ. I don't see how Live being tested on every possible system and combination is worse than it being tested behind closed doors to then be released as ehrm.. Live 8. Its what should have happened in the first place. A public beta where people actually tried out the software and gave feedback instead of using up slots only to get their hands on the software sooner. If all else fails maybe they can stop supporting any OS that wasn't built before 2009. *ducks*SubFunk wrote:well, i think this is where it all goes totally wrong with ableton, public beta testing in the state of Live 8 is just WRONG, you can go public beta when you deal with some minor issues left, to iron out the last bits and pieces, but not like with Live 8 which is in such a mess and packed with major, not minor bugs, i really don't understand why on earth they are not creating a closed beta test circle until it can go out to the public, Live 8 is an embarrassment for the company since a year, keep it closed testing it for long enough to be able to go public.hoffman2k wrote:You don't report your bugs, they may not know about it, bug doesn't get fixed. Simple as that.
i mean they acknowledged it is a mess, why is it then so hard to go the second step and acknowledge that it is worth it to withdraw it from public (i mean any beta versions now) and go public again when it's ready for doing so...? i believe the damage caused (including the general reputation of the company) is greater keeping the mess open in public, then withdrawing it for awhile and to start fresh over again.
why oh why don't they do that? no they rather turn to many people into unwanted testers, i mean the amount of people i know with severe problems who don't report anything at all is huge, and i do understand that you don't want to do that for an application that is that super expensive, i mean the suite with m4l is about 1000 euros for christ's sake... who on earth wants to be a forced tester for that???
this way they turn love into hate.
p.s. i also don't understand that they claim the majority of LIve 8 users has no problems, when it is a clear lie (or being blind?) when in fact the majority of users has major problems, it is only a fraction that report this (for the mentioned reasons) they should be closer to reality i believe.
Not such a bad idea, no one makes cars that run on four star anymore....hoffman2k wrote: If all else fails maybe they can stop supporting any OS that wasn't built before 2009. *ducks*
The Leveller wrote:Wow, a weird shaped dead coral with sh!t stuck to it. Proof indeed of supernatural abilities.
This may related to a known issue. Do you have a USB MIDI controller? If so, the next time you crash and can't quit from the tasklist, try disconnecting your controller. Please let me know if the process ends then.fisto wrote:The biggest problem for me is when it crashes, the most part I have to restart because i can't quit life from the tasklist. It just stays in there which makes a reboot necessary on XP.
That's a heap of fun, when you don't have "a USB MIDI controller", but five USB MIDI controllersDennis DeSantis wrote:This may related to a known issue. Do you have a USB MIDI controller? If so, the next time you crash and can't quit from the tasklist, try disconnecting your controller. Please let me know if the process ends then.fisto wrote:The biggest problem for me is when it crashes, the most part I have to restart because i can't quit life from the tasklist. It just stays in there which makes a reboot necessary on XP.
Thanks,
No, of course, that's totally horrible, and the problem itself is ugly.sporkles wrote:That's a heap of fun, when you don't have "a USB MIDI controller", but five USB MIDI controllersDennis DeSantis wrote:This may related to a known issue. Do you have a USB MIDI controller? If so, the next time you crash and can't quit from the tasklist, try disconnecting your controller. Please let me know if the process ends then.fisto wrote:The biggest problem for me is when it crashes, the most part I have to restart because i can't quit life from the tasklist. It just stays in there which makes a reboot necessary on XP.
Thanks,