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Gratz!

I wish they would stop putting the power switch on the back of the events.
I guess a company change couldn't even remedy that.

Tarekith wrote:The HR824's are now my DJ monitors, they'll work great for that. In all honesty I think a lot of the Mackie bashing was just because it was cool to do so all of a sudden. I'll admit they aren't top notch $3k speakers, but I'd take them over any pair of Genelecs any day. Yes, serious. I think the main issue with the Mackie's is that really only work well in a treated room, in your average bedroom studio I could see them being too boomy and leading to all the remarks about the low end being vague. Never really had that issue myself. Anyway, great speakers, but the Opals are much better.

wow, i really like you (from what i gather around here), but in all respect, it's pretty clear after those words that i personally would not pay a single penny for your ears, very seriously.

peace.

shuutobi wrote:Gratz!

I wish they would stop putting the power switch on the back of the events.
I guess a company change couldn't even remedy that.

that is usually because speakers of that class are designed for a monitor bridge or stands in setups (proper studios) that allow to walk behind the speaker, respectively you have them usually hooked up to a central switchboard, a proper studio has a proper power circuit switchboard. with separate phases from all things light, coffee machine, and the rest of the building.

SubFunk wrote:

Tarekith wrote:The HR824's are now my DJ monitors, they'll work great for that. In all honesty I think a lot of the Mackie bashing was just because it was cool to do so all of a sudden. I'll admit they aren't top notch $3k speakers, but I'd take them over any pair of Genelecs any day. Yes, serious. I think the main issue with the Mackie's is that really only work well in a treated room, in your average bedroom studio I could see them being too boomy and leading to all the remarks about the low end being vague. Never really had that issue myself. Anyway, great speakers, but the Opals are much better.

wow, i really like you (from what i gather around here), but in all respect, it's pretty clear after those words that i personally would not pay a single penny for your ears, very seriously.

peace.

i need to correct,

but the Opals are much better.

few ok there is hope, i was really shocked, still recovering.

(and to clarify, i am aware that it is all to often a matter of taste (so spare your jumping on me because i am a genelec guru myself), dynaudio, PMC, Adam's, Focal,etc., etc., to name but a few are all decent sounding tools, but mackie is seriously the worst shit on the planet and has ZERO to do with taste, you must be plain and simple totally deaf to claim they are in any way good)

jebus christ, tarekith!

maybe you still need to learn to listen properly and not just listening to the frequency response alone, but to the whole picture, the image, depth perception field, etc., etc.

and that is all where mackies are coming the shortest of the whole lot available. (and that is actually the critical point many speakers lack, or as we say in german the seed divides from the crop)

by the way something i discover a hell lot of, people don't pay attention to or never learned to REALLY listening to. (besides the plain frequency response and how much bass they have)

and i assume, in your case, i don't accuse you!, i just seriously wonder, i am shocked, truly shocked.

SubFunk wrote:

shuutobi wrote:Gratz!

I wish they would stop putting the power switch on the back of the events.
I guess a company change couldn't even remedy that.

that is usually because speakers of that class are designed for a monitor bridge or stands in setups (proper studios) that allow to walk behind the speaker, respectively you have them usually hooked up to a central switchboard, a proper studio has a proper power circuit switchboard. with separate phases from all things light, coffee machine, and the rest of the building.

I can walk behind my setup, It's just one extra twice daily task that I don't really need. ;P
Luckily my setup is all on it's own switch, so I don't have any interference issues.

edit: Oh you mean 3-pole breakers; No, I don't think this place is wired as such.

SubFunk wrote:

shuutobi wrote:Gratz!

I wish they would stop putting the power switch on the back of the events.
I guess a company change couldn't even remedy that.

that is usually because speakers of that class are designed for a monitor bridge or stands in setups (proper studios) that allow to walk behind the speaker, respectively you have them usually hooked up to a central switchboard, a proper studio has a proper power circuit switchboard. with separate phases from all things light, coffee machine, and the rest of the building.

This is actually the one weird thing about the Events, so I agree with Shuutobi. Event made a huge deal about having all the other controls (there's a lot for a speaker) on the front of the monitor, but then they put the power swtich on the back. I thought that was odd too.

SubFunk wrote:maybe you still need to learn to listen properly and not just listening to the frequency response alone, but to the whole picture, the image, depth perception field, etc., etc.

and that is all where mackies are coming the shortest of the whole lot available. (and that is actually the critical point many speakers lack, or as we say in german the seed divides from the crop)

by the way something i discover a hell lot of, people don't pay attention to or never learned to REALLY listening to. (besides the plain frequency response and how much bass they have)

and i assume, in your case, i don't accuse you!, i just seriously wonder, i am shocked, truly shocked.

Good idea man, I'll start learning to listen now, been guessing this whole time and just winging it.

Tarekith wrote:

SubFunk wrote:maybe you still need to learn to listen properly and not just listening to the frequency response alone, but to the whole picture, the image, depth perception field, etc., etc.

and that is all where mackies are coming the shortest of the whole lot available. (and that is actually the critical point many speakers lack, or as we say in german the seed divides from the crop)

by the way something i discover a hell lot of, people don't pay attention to or never learned to REALLY listening to. (besides the plain frequency response and how much bass they have)

and i assume, in your case, i don't accuse you!, i just seriously wonder, i am shocked, truly shocked.

Good idea man, I'll start learning to listen now, been guessing this whole time and just winging it.

Was looking forward to a lengthy retort. But still, nicely played Mr Tarekith.

Did you A/B them with Twins? More < 40hz stuff for sure with the Opals.

I couldn't do any direct comparisons, no one out in Seattle carries most of what I was looking at, so I was forced to listen to each in different environments. Not the most ideal, but better than buying blind. The Focals were really nice, as were the K&H, the Opals just sounded "right" to me. Especially on the low end, very accurate, never felt "these would be awesome with a sub" like I did with some of the others (PMC especially). For the electronic music I specialize in, the Opals were the right choice.

Congrats on your new babies. I have the same and also had them on auralex mopads. But replacing them with primacoustics recoil stabilers seemed to tighten the low end a bit. To my ears, it's subtle but noticeable. Anyways, hopefully you got the newer batches ( no voltage selector) so you won't have the hissing problem.

Tarekith wrote:Good idea man, I'll start learning to listen now, been guessing this whole time and just winging it.

don't get me wrong!

but listening is something you can (everyone) learn the same way like you learn swimming or cycling or reading or any other thing.

it's not being cocky for me to say that i come across a lot (to many) of people that think listening is just something you do and everyone does in the same way,

but that is not true, you really need to train that and the way how to listen to music and especially what to listen for in productions / mixing.

and the real art of good engineers is in the way they learned how to listen and what to listen for and not the way they learned how to move faders in db numbers.

cheers
and
peace.

Tarekith wrote:..I was forced to listen to each in different environments. Not the most ideal, but better than buying blind.

screw listening man..how on earth could you ever go wrong with monitors like this