Ableton hotswap fail

[Tarekith]

Either way I think the point remains, it's just inconsistant.

Then again, I never understood following GM standards for a 4x4 grid. Ah Drum Racks, don't get me started...

[alex.the.forge]

it's not true for all hot swapping. instead of the one you chose, swap the 808 snare for "909 Snare"

it loads with the input set to "all" as it should, and plays right away...

so there are inconsistencies in how the presets are saved in terms of their input settings

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is that not just because they occupy the same note?

[arafel]

Ok.. this thread has really straightened a few things out for me...

Hot Swap into the Abes Library & Drum Racks seemed like a Pita for me.. so I never even bothered to investigate the 'clunky' behavior..

so I've kept using Kit mode in RMX (Simple, straightforward, still love it) -
& still use the GM standard a lot, as tons of my fav midi clips are worked up in that... intuitive..no it is not.. agreed.

Thanks for the info guys.
As a lurker.. your banter is always a source of great info.

[longjohns]

it's not true for all hot swapping. instead of the one you chose, swap the 808 snare for "909 Snare"

it loads with the input set to "all" as it should, and plays right away...

so there are inconsistencies in how the presets are saved in terms of their input settings

?>

is that not just because they occupy the same note?

no,

in your example the input note of the incoming rack is set to a specific note, and thus fails to reach the main rack

in my example the input note of the incoming rack is set to "all notes" and thus correctly forwards to the main rack

[longjohns]

note that when you swap for the punchy sticky snare or whatever it was called, that the name on the pad does not update,

but if you switch for "909 Snare" it DOES update

this has to do with the setting to "all notes" although I can't explain why the first example doesn't update the inner rack name to the pad once you change the inner rack to "all notes"

the "all notes" business seems to be critical for nested drum racks to behave in a fully drum-rack-y manner

[longjohns]

if I set the new snare rack to "all notes" and re-save it...

it now will swap correctly, but it still won't update the pad name.

i can't yet figure out the difference between presets which will update the pad name and those that won't

[alex.the.forge]

if I set the new snare rack to "all notes" and re-save it...

it now will swap correctly, but it still won't update the pad name.

i can't yet figure out the difference between presets which will update the pad name and those that won't

have you found it to be just the session drums and latin percussion that won't swap?

I have tried the drum machines and other electronic ones, and they seem to swap fine, but no joy if I try and replace them with SD or LP racks

it does work the other way round too - loading an SD kit and swapping to a DM sound will work

I'm normally trying the other way round though - like loading an 808 kit and trying to replace just the snare or hi-hat with an SD one

but as I was just going through them to try just now I also noticed that the hotswap system is still flawed even if it worked properly here because even of you try and hotswap>up/down arrows>enter to try different sounds then as soon as you hit the play button on the pad it exits hotswap mode so you can't quickly flick through different sounds. The only way to do this is have a clip playing/looping and change through in that way. I guess we wouldn't need to play the preview button on the pad though if you could preview them in the browser

I'm wondering if part of the problem is the way velocity layering is handled with the single audio files - if you navigate to them in the library\samples folder then you can preview them as audio files, but as a long file with several different hits/velocities in them

but if you can navigate to the samples folders yourself then you would imagine that it would be possible to have Live do that for you automatically behind the scenes - i.e. - click on a drum rack preset and if the preview button is engaged at the bottom then it plays the sample file it references.