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crofter wrote:Macs are probably perfectly usable, just don't like em, sold by cunts, used by tossers.

The above statement would suggest you are probably a tosser

I recently switch from a mac to a PC that I built. Buying an Imac would have cost about $1200 or more whereas all the PC parts cost just under $700. Windows 7 is a bit bizarre, but I'm only using Live and NI soft synths. The PC is really fast. I'm satisfied with it. Windows is growing on me and I can do things like overclocking, once I learn more about that sort of thing..

I had a G5 that I liked a lot (especially for BIAS Peak Pro what an incredible DAE) but PC's are so much more nerd friendly IMO.

Being able to put together your own system isn't just often more affordable, but is also quite rewarding. Researching individual components, learning their individual affect on the temperature, noise level, and speed of your computer is really a lot of fun, just like any other DIY project. Also, if you've got the stones, Hackintosh can be an interesting and challenging project as well.

I don't know about the newer OS's but windows XP has been relatively stable since SP2, as long you are conscious of drivers, error reports, defragging, virus protection, etc...

Which brings me to my point if you LIKE screwing around with computers PC's are a lot of fun. You'll be rewarded for your hard work with an enormous community of freeware (not just audio related) often with a level of quality that is shocking.

If you however, want to come home from the store, install your software and go, do yourself a favor and just by an Apple computer. The cost difference is really negligible once you figure in the amount of time it takes to build and tweak a proper PC.


P.S. I think the Mac Mini is an incredible value proposition, especially as a home entertainment computer. I've been wanting to pull the trigger on one, but have been waiting to see if Apple will either; A) Add eSATA or B) Add one PCI or PCI-X slot.

P.P.S. My previous statements don't account for the Laptop/Notebook market, as I have very little knowledge on PC Laptops, but typically see them to very closed systems, especially in the way of drivers.

JEpic wrote:I had a G5 that I liked a lot (especially for BIAS Peak Pro what an incredible DAE) but PC's are so much more nerd friendly IMO.

Being able to put together your own system isn't just often more affordable, but is also quite rewarding. Researching individual components, learning their individual affect on the temperature, noise level, and speed of your computer is really a lot of fun, just like any other DIY project. Also, if you've got the stones, Hackintosh can be an interesting and challenging project as well.

I don't know about the newer OS's but windows XP has been relatively stable since SP2, as long you are conscious of drivers, error reports, defragging, virus protection, etc...

Which brings me to my point if you LIKE screwing around with computers PC's are a lot of fun. You'll be rewarded for your hard work with an enormous community of freeware (not just audio related) often with a level of quality that is shocking.

If you however, want to come home from the store, install your software and go, do yourself a favor and just by an Apple computer. The cost difference is really negligible once you figure in the amount of time it takes to build and tweak a proper PC.


P.S. I think the Mac Mini is an incredible value proposition, especially as a home entertainment computer. I've been wanting to pull the trigger on one, but have been waiting to see if Apple will either; A) Add eSATA or B) Add one PCI or PCI-X slot.

P.P.S. My previous statements don't account for the Laptop/Notebook market, as I have very little knowledge on PC Laptops, but typically see them to very closed systems, especially in the way of drivers.

Good points....

I heard Hackintosh was really simple now due to a recent change??

ie just load the image and your away??

The only reason I have a mac is for Music production. Everything else I use a PC for and would never go to a mac.

I like the mac for music production because it was a one-stop-shop as far as Processor, Sound-Card, Portability, and build quality goes. Although it was expensive as hell, it is surving its purpose well.

Radio Arcade wrote:
Good points....

I heard Hackintosh was really simple now due to a recent change??

ie just load the image and your away??

Thanks,

I've also heard it's a lot easier than it was a few years ago when I first attempted it.

I'll be doing a new build in December, and will look into doing Hackintosh on that one. If I do, I'll be sure on doing a well documented outline on the process with particular attention on setting up for audio/Ableton.

crofter wrote:Macs are probably perfectly usable, just don't like em, sold by cunts, used by tossers.

OK, I know what a cunt is. I've been using Apple computers for the past 8-10 years. I just received my quad-core Mac Pro yesterday. Apparently I am a "tosser". Here is where I have a problem. What is a "tosser" exactly? The real humor in all of this is that the people who make statements like that are usually the last to do so face to face with an actual "tosser". Is that like the "salad tosser" of the analingus variety? The last salad I tossed, I thought I'd never get rid of HER. The "tossers" from where I am from will toss your sorry ass right off of the top of a parking garage (4 or 5 stories high) for less than what you said. There are 2 types of people, those who are serious and those who are not. Maybe it is a British humor thing, but there are those on this side that don't fuck around like that. Must be a cultural thing. I understand the PC vs Mac perpetual argument. I don't understand insulting people that you don't know because of the computer they choose to use or sell. I have always heard of Mac snobs but PC users obviously have their own.

best of both worlds: pc hardware with osx.

JEpic wrote:

Radio Arcade wrote:
Good points....

I heard Hackintosh was really simple now due to a recent change??

ie just load the image and your away??

Thanks,

I've also heard it's a lot easier than it was a few years ago when I first attempted it.

I'll be doing a new build in December, and will look into doing Hackintosh on that one. If I do, I'll be sure on doing a well documented outline on the process with particular attention on setting up for audio/Ableton.

Sweet, let me know how you get on

Just started using a new Dell laptop, with an i7 processor. It's zooming along rather nicely thus far.

Macbooks aren't yet quadcore. The nearest comparable Macbook (off the top of my head) had 2GB less RAM, a slower hard drive, and worse processor, yet was £500 more expensive.

I know a lot of people like macs, but I've not really seen any reason to use one. That's probably cursed me now...expect massive laptop failure on first attempt at gigging using Live

Also, I should just add that there is a probably a psychological factor whereby mac fans will be much less critical of their machines when they *do* go wrong, as to do so would be tantamount to admitting that they have made the wrong decision and spent much more than they needed to. And no-one likes to be wrong.

Macs being overpriced is a complete myth.
Compare the hardware, build quality, and you will find that they are actually very good value for money. Not to mention OSX is cheap to buy and it has great integration with the computer hardware inside.

solitarypartygroover wrote:Also, I should just add that there is a probably a psychological factor whereby mac fans will be much less critical of their machines when they *do* go wrong, as to do so would be tantamount to admitting that they have made the wrong decision and spent much more than they needed to. And no-one likes to be wrong.

True. It's much less degrading to say My Dell blew a gasket... haha... no big deal... so cheap!

Compare the hardware, build quality, and you will find that they are actually very good value for money.

Disagree. Apple user forums are full of complaints about bad crafted Apple products like the new Macbooks overheating or the Iphone4 disaster.

its very important that we solve this issue... once and for all