Tapestop (using curve and a delay)

[cbit]

Kind of highlights the state of play with m4l for me.

ie. needs some more professional help.

The fact that no one developing for mac has yet built a plug with exactly the specifications you're looking for says nothing about m4l. What it does indicate is that, so far, there hasn't been a strong demand for what you're looking for.

If you find yourself in this situation more often (as I do), learning something like m4l can empower you.

[dna598]

It tells me that no one has used and seen how good that tape stop vst actually is. And to build a tape stop plug, with out a tape start function is pretty dumb imo. Hey, sugarbytes made the same mistake.

I realise that m4l is empowering, but i am not a coder, and i never will be.

Its back to lovely windows for me i think. I hacked the mac anyway.

[cbit]

It tells me that no one has used and seen how good that tape stop vst actually is.

I used to use it when i produced on a windows box. I never needed the tape-start functionality.

TOP TIP: Don't assume that when other people's preferences don't match yours, that they're ignorant, or dumb--especially if you're hoping to get developers to help you out.

[dna598]

No one said they were gonna help me out bro. And I can pretty much assume the attitude up in here is "code it yourself if you want the features".

The fact that you never used the tape start function doesnt mean it not going to be used eh????
Do you actually realise that a tape has to wind up to start???? If you want a realistic effect that is what must be simulated.

Why implement a half assed design if m4l is so empowering? (and you paid for it)

[dna598]

It dosnt matter anyway, the freee vst tapestop is WAY better than any unfinished m4l offerings ( i see a lot of that).

end of story.

[S4racen]

free vst

m4l

ie. needs some more professional help.

I think you've kind of missed the point....

Cheers
D

[dna598]

free vst

m4l

ie. needs some more professional help.

I think you've kind of missed the point....

Cheers
D

Dude stop trying to be clever.

If you want to do that, build a proper tape stop plug.

[cbit]

No one said they were gonna help me out bro.

I'm aware of that. It's not clear why you felt the need to mention it.

The fact that you never used the tape start function doesnt mean it not going to be used eh???

Correct, but irrelevant since my comment was specifically addressed to your false claim that:

no one has used and seen how good that tape stop vst actually is.

As you now know, at least one person has.

Do you actually realise that a tape has to wind up to start????

I realise that. If I ever try to faithfully emulate a tape machine, I'll certainly include a tape start function.

If you want a realistic effect that is what must be simulated.

If you want a realistic tape start effect, you'll need something that emulates a tape start realistically. Yes, there's no question about it.

Why implement a half assed design if m4l is so empowering? (and you paid for it)

Because what you rudely disparage as a 'half assed' (because it doesn't conform to your specific preferences), works exactly as I'd like it to. I judged the opportunity cost associated with researching and implementing a tape start function to be too high, relative to what I could expect to gain from doing so. I think you'll find that a similar explanation accounts for most decisions to exclude functionality from software.

It would be useful for you to realise that your idea that a tape stop plugin should also include a tape start emulation, is a mere preference. Other people may or may not share your preference. Contrary to what you seem to be assuming, the fact that a person doesn't share your preference, or finds it less important than you do, doesn't make them wrong or ignorant, or stupid.

I hope this information helps you put similar situations you may run into in the future, into proper perspective.

[dna598]

Oh for fucks sake spare me the moralistic lesson please.


TAPE STOP PLUG = TAPE START PLUG

If you wanna do it properly.

[S4racen]

Cheers
D

[cbit]

Oh for fucks sake spare me the moralistic lesson please.
TAPE STOP PLUG = TAPE START PLUG

In fact, the meanings of words, phrases, terms are in flux and are inherently subject to disagreement. Naive definitional absolutism will hurt more than it will help you.

[dna598]

The cost to performance/time spent stroking your beard /functions required but cant program/available for free on windows since years/ denial of how tape works/and other such evidence


have led me to conclude that you cannot provide a proper tape stop plug for mac. end of.

Do you think the guys that made tapestop vst thought, fuck, it its called Tapestop, lets NOT allow the tape start to be emulated.


PLEASE.....

edit- so you would happily use 2 plug ins to automate start and stop tape? hahaha......thats is whats called a massive step backwards my friend.

[S4racen]

Sorry i'm not bothered about the tape start / tape stop issue.....

it appears as if you seem to think that someone should just make it for you though? Or am i mistaken?

If so then a combination of a reverser and the tape stop device above does the trick for me, i have both quanitzed to beats so i can tape stop over 4 beats and then play back that audio in reverse building back to the original audio...

Cheers
D

[cbit]

Do you think the guys that made tapestop vst thought, fuck, it its called Tapestop, lets NOT allow the tape start to be emulated.

They thought (on some level) 'what I can expect to gain by implementing tape start exceeds the expected opportunity cost of doing so', so they included it. For others, the equation works out differently, as has already been explained to you.

edit- so you would happily use 2 plug ins to automate start and stop tape?

You're still showing a distinctly child-like inability to imagine that other people don't share your desires/preferences. We have two facts about the world:

1. For some who will use a tape stop effect, the desire to emulate a tape starting is small or absent.
2. The opportunity cost of adding a tape start function to a tape stop effect is non-zero.

Focus on these for a little while. The condition that's irritating you: that plugins exist that do 'tape stop' but not 'tape start', is explained by these two facts. Once you've absorbed them, you'll feel more kindly towards the world.

[dna598]

I expected full functionality of this free old vst to be emulated before I even turned up in this place.
If you used it (as in, USED ALL ITS FUNCTIONS cbit), paid for a new mac and theres no alternative well, you'd feel like a total plum.

Luckily that's not me, but come on guys sort it out.

Its still the definitive TAPESTOP plug in.