Amp's amps? what are they modelled upon?

[friend_kami]

doesnt matter if they are bassheavy and if this is correct or not, the fact is; they sound bad.
they sound great for anything except for they are intended to be used with. its quite ironic.
even the presets that ships with it sound bad. even my noob friend who doesnt know shit about electornic music, but has been playing guitar since he was 12 could tell they sounded like shit directly. it took him literally 1 minute.

[milosh]

doesnt matter if they are bassheavy and if this is correct or not, the fact is; they sound bad.
they sound great for anything except for they are intended to be used with. its quite ironic.
even the presets that ships with it sound bad. even my noob friend who doesnt know shit about electornic music, but has been playing guitar since he was 12 could tell they sounded like shit directly. it took him literally 1 minute.

Wow !! he must be good..
Did he tell it about clean or crunch or hi gain setup?
Because there is a different story with each..

It took me about half an hour to try all the amp models with different cabinet variants !!
(not talking about the Amp effect-racks presets which are over-processed)
I am sure have not dig all the possibilities yet.
Try to think about Amp as your new effect/instrument.
You have to know its strengths and weaknesses to use it.
Sure Santana will not use it on his next album as his main tool
But i feel it was not invented for that.
I like the Amp very much.
....and I play guitar for longer than 12 years now

cheers

[friend_kami]

doesnt matter if they are bassheavy and if this is correct or not, the fact is; they sound bad.
they sound great for anything except for they are intended to be used with. its quite ironic.
even the presets that ships with it sound bad. even my noob friend who doesnt know shit about electornic music, but has been playing guitar since he was 12 could tell they sounded like shit directly. it took him literally 1 minute.

Wow !! he must be good..
Did he tell it about clean or crunch or hi gain setup?
Because there is a different story with each..

It took me about half an hour to try all the amp models with different cabinet variants !!
(not talking about the Amp effect-racks presets which are over-processed)
I am sure have not dig all the possibilities yet.
Try to think about Amp as your new effect/instrument.
You have to know its strengths and weaknesses to use it.
Sure Santana will not use it on his next album as his main tool
But i feel it was not invented for that.
I like the Amp very much.
....and I play guitar for longer than 12 years now

cheers

the clean sounds great. the higain stuff sounds incredibly digital.
oh, ive been sitting very long with amp and i still cant get any good sounds out of it once you want to give it a bit of oomph.

[milosh]

Sure Hi gain modes sounds flat.
And I know why ...

I is not because of Amp.
It is because of Cabinet plugin.

Here is what I did for experiment.
1. I put only Amp on one track (no cabinet).
2. Set the input from Hi-Z/instrument input of RME Fireface. Monitoring in.
3. Set output of this track to external out of my RME Fireface.
4. Connect this output to Return jack of my tube guitar amp (to totally bypass the preamp section)
5. Remember that gain staging of the Fireface output is essential so slowly turn it up to get good level.

and wooooo
very nice hi gain sound
Nice floor and pants shaking
My tube amp is only 8 Watt wit 1x12" Celestion speaker (Seventy-80 model).
I know it is out of the box trick but it works.
I will try record it with SM57 when i find some time.

cheers

milosh

[Simbosan]

It's not that the hi-gain sounds flat, it has a nasty buzzing little top end that is totally recognizable is a cheap amp-sim sound. There are a bunch of free amp sim VST out there and they all have this brittle buzzy top end that is quite horrible. Maybe putting it through a real valve would smooth some of that out, but it still sounds like a cheap fuzz box to me. It would record quite badly I think too, you would lose the middle/bottom and just have the 'angry bees' cutting through.

S

[AceLuby]

It's not that the hi-gain sounds flat, it has a nasty buzzing little top end that is totally recognizable is a cheap amp-sim sound. There are a bunch of free amp sim VST out there and they all have this brittle buzzy top end that is quite horrible. Maybe putting it through a real valve would smooth some of that out, but it still sounds like a cheap fuzz box to me. It would record quite badly I think too, you would lose the middle/bottom and just have the 'angry bees' cutting through.

S

Have you tried sticking an EQ and rolling off the highs? That works for my HW modeller to get really smooth high gain sounds.

[Simbosan]

Baby, bath water... begone both of you! I use single coil for the specific purpose of bright highs. The fizzy sound can't be removed without removing stuff you actually want. I don't have the issue with my Pod or with Grig, so I don't think that's acceptable. Appreciate the response though =)

Cheers

S

[AceLuby]

Baby, bath water... begone both of you! I use single coil for the specific purpose of bright highs. The fizzy sound can't be removed without removing stuff you actually want. I don't have the issue with my Pod or with Grig, so I don't think that's acceptable. Appreciate the response though =)

Cheers

S

You can still have bright highs... have you tried it? Stick an EQ 8, start w/ a single dot all the way to the right and move it all the way down. I also boost the mid-highs slightly and then flatten out as I get more into the bass spectrum.

I've done this on many different HW & SW high gain simulators and every time it has tamed the bees w/out sucking tone. Even simulators where the bees aren't as bad sound 'better' after doing this. You may want to try it. You might even like what it does to your POD or Grig.

[Pulse_76]

Dont forget the quality of sound has a lot to do with the quality of signal you put in. It's the same with real guitar amps and effects btw.

I got great results using pedals for my dirty tones in front of AMP. did not try getting too extreme with the High Gain models yet on their own

But I get a good sound from the plug ins over all.

Also Soft Tube are pretty renowned

[friend_kami]

so is ableton, but they still have a bad reputation with certain types of effects.
reputation is nothing but hearsay.

[Pulse_76]

so is ableton, but they still have a bad reputation with certain types of effects.
reputation is nothing but hearsay.

Ok well Soft Tube seem to get great reviews, they were also entrusted by Marshall to build their first digital hardware amp. So I guess if Marshall trusts them enough to make something with their own brand on it, we could think that their plug ins being "rubbish" might be a little misleading.

listening to things is also a subjective experience, and all the gear between and after the Plug in makes a difference,

thing is I have Guitar Rig, and ampeg SVX, and hardware sans amps. Real bass amps, Ampeg head , Mesa boogie cabinet

AMP has not left me unsatisfied.

But sure this is a subjective view point

[Jekblad]

i still like guitar rig the best... amp is SO great on synths and drums for grit. But yea for guitars still gotta spend the CPU on Guitar Rig. I'm sure certain tones you can get out of Amp, but guitar rig is flexible and great sounding.

i use Amp a lot more than GR right now because i use it to color all the synths loops and drums. FWIW

[Sage]

Mesa Dual Recs are buzzy/fizzy before the power amp gets working (Also you'd never turn the treble beyond midday), all high gain amps are in fact like that before you get the power amp working. In fact, all amps are like that with any form of high gain distortion/fuzz before the power amp is working.

You get the idea.


Blues amp is brilliant, not sure on Clean & Rock at the moment, Boost has it's moments and I do like the high gain ones, just need to build up a rack of cabinets to emulate different mic setups for those sims.

[Lazos]

I really like Amp and Cabinet so far, mostly for processing drums and synths.

I plugged in my bass, and I liked a lot of the sounds of the presets quite a bit. I can't comment on its use for guitar.

I'm surprised for bass they didn't model Amp after the vintage Ampeg SVTs. Now that's primo bass tone!

[UKRuss]

i still like guitar rig the best... amp is SO great on synths and drums for grit. But yea for guitars still gotta spend the CPU on Guitar Rig. I'm sure certain tones you can get out of Amp, but guitar rig is flexible and great sounding.

i use Amp a lot more than GR right now because i use it to color all the synths loops and drums. FWIW

This is the truths for me too.

I'm loving Amp on synths and drums, awesome bass craziness. Massive sound.