leedsquietman wrote:You seemed to miss the point that Live Suite vs Komplete is not comparing apples to apples. They do SOME things the same, but Komplete overall gives you a lot of extra sound choices, although a lot of the library is sample based (apart from the synths obviously), whereas Suite goes for the physically modelled approach and stuff like Tension, Collision and the arco sounds are somewhat different.
Massive, Absynth, Reactor, FM8, Guitar Rig, are all not Library based. I agree it's not a straight comparison, but for the most part Komplete far outweighs Suite in terms of pure power.
I don't find Sampler or Operator worse than Kontakt or FM8 on CPU load unless there are a lot of FX racked up.
Did a straight comparison of them when they came out. Live could load more instances of FM8 before crackling, same with Kontakt. Faster machines now so the difference is going to look smaller.
I do however find many Absynth 5 (the patch Fried Napthalm being one example, I can only run that patch on 384 samples lowest latency even if it's the only track in the set in Live I can run Suite instruments at 128 samples)
Yeah, but that sound is a total exception, and also sweet as hell! Thanks.
Certain kinds of delays just slam DAWs, this hasn't changed much.
and Massive patches can be very draining. The eco mode on Massive helps to a degree. I've only tried Reaktor Player, but others on this forum have noted that some of the more complex ensembles come with a large CPU hit.
Not any more than Collision really. There are definitely certain types of sounds that still kill computers, hardcore physical modeling of analog modulars like Bazile or high end wave table synths like Massive and modular environments like Reactor, Max/MSP, and Tassman to a degree.
I did also state as a disclaimer that this occurs on my system which is a modest Core2Duo on my PC laptop and Desktop. Those with quad i7s or octacore macs might not suffer from this or have different experiences.
Yeah definitely, I'm on a 3+ year old Core 2 duo 2.4Ghz Macbook Pro, and I conserve power, I'm used to it though, so I use a sound like Fried Napthalm when it's necessary, not just because I can.
Currently Suite costs $300 extra. It costs $500 to get Komplete 7 and this has been reduced from about $800 in the fairly recent past. My opinion is that Ableton need to reduce the cost of Suite, or add in more if they don't want to lose out on sales to Komplete at this price differential, but the best option if you had the money remains : get both. IMHO.
IMHO Ableton shouldn't be trying to compete with plug in developers like NI, or trying to match somehow Logic Studio. They know what they're doing for sure, but I as usual wish they would spend all their resources on the Sequencer/DAW/sample manipulation side of Live. Even Sampler was a bit of a disappointment to me in the sense that Live itself is a Sampler, and I would have liked to have seen some hybrid craziness that was fully integrated into the Daw in some wild way...
You are running a Mac, so may not see the difference of the extra VST buffer, given you are probably running AU versions of the synths, but I find that extra VST buffer does add some latency on my windows machines.
Mostly no noticeable difference with Aus, the integration of multiple audio outs in AUs is better, and the specs are wide open compared apparently, but Apple have lagged on AUs for a while now, they should be coming out with at least MIDI out for AUs by now..... It's probably more of a Core MIDI thing VS Windows MIDI, and the way a DAW addresses that, dunno?
<- On this line though I would NEVER trade that for buying into a single product line only, even Abletons.
