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ninox_rufa wrote:

oblique strategies wrote:Your proof of this "fact"?

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... &start=120

Dom wrote:If it would have been a bug, i'm pretty sure we would have addressed it by now during the quality initiative.

Clear to me that the quality initiative is over. So they're either on holidays indefinitely, looking for other jobs, creating a new application or working on version 9. I'm going to place my bet on the last option.

Or its finally dawned on them what you can do with Traktor + Maschine for performance/loop mashing etc, and that other DAWs are more DAW like and work alot more completely. Perhaps they are busy booking one way tickets to south america to live in hiding, or re-writing live as a plugin instead of an application

ninox_rufa wrote:

oblique strategies wrote:Your proof of this "fact"?

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... &start=120

Dom wrote:If it would have been a bug, i'm pretty sure we would have addressed it by now during the quality initiative.

Clear to me that the quality initiative is over. So they're either on holidays indefinitely, looking for other jobs, creating a new application or working on version 9. I'm going to place my bet on the last option.

That's no fact, just your speculation. But I see why you're drawing your conclusion.

Yep fair enough. I stand corrected I should have written something more like:
"combined with the fact that there are still some major problems with 8 and it's likely that Ableton are busy working on version 9."
I kind of assume we're all thinking that they are. I really would be surprised if someone thought otherwise.

I'd never second-guess a development team. Seeing as I manage one for a living.

But the rate of progress doesn't look good. It suggests that the code base is very difficult to maintain.

And IMHO, we shouldn't be holding our breath for an announcement at Musikmesse.

necho wrote: And IMHO, we shouldn't be holding our breath for an announcement at Musikmesse.

I, for one, would find an announcement of Live 9 most unwelcome.

oblique strategies wrote:
I, for one, would find an announcement of Live 9 most unwelcome.

Anything is better then this silence.

oblique strategies wrote:

necho wrote: And IMHO, we shouldn't be holding our breath for an announcement at Musikmesse.

I, for one, would find an announcement of Live 9 most unwelcome.

I, on the other hand, would find it very welcome indeed, but I don't ask for much. Plugin delay compensation for 3rd party VST automation / automation snapping and/or curves is all I'm really looking for. I'd buy it just for that to be honest, although hopefully there'd be a few more perks too

what I don't get is, why a lot of Live-users just don't switch to a professional DAW if they have problems with Live.
No offense here, but Live is a cool Performance-Tool and a cool sketching-tool, but that's it. Serious mixing, recording & editing is done somewhere else. And don't expect too big imrovements in Live 9 (remeber they sold us crossfades as feature in Live 8, ridiculous).

I bet there will be a new synth, some useless Stone & Tree-instruments and "THE REVOLUTION" called clip-grouping. This will cost you 100 €. Cool ha?

Don't wait for the impossible, and don't let a programm kill your ability of making real music. Just a lil rant

they defently work on l9 and you dont know how many bugs they fix each day you never get to know..

but dont worry..there will be plenty to find for your own in the anual pubic betatesting after the release of L9

fisto wrote:what I don't get is, why a lot of Live-users just don't switch to a professional DAW if they have problems with Live.
No offense here, but Live is a cool Performance-Tool and a cool sketching-tool, but that's it. Serious mixing, recording & editing is done somewhere else. And don't expect too big imrovements in Live 9 (remeber they sold us crossfades as feature in Live 8, ridiculous).

I bet there will be a new synth, some useless Stone & Tree-instruments and "THE REVOLUTION" called clip-grouping. This will cost you 100 €. Cool ha?

Don't wait for the impossible, and don't let a programm kill your ability of making real music. Just a lil rant

when you have spend 10 years with a program its quite hard to switch.. and all people i know have another main daw by the side .. from day one it wouldnt have been possible tp work with life any other way..dont even had midi....

the question is..when will we be able to just work in one program without compromize.
Ableton is stretching theier development time ...tehy add lot of things and stay away from major changes since the start.. so allmost any bigger featurewish of the user base is ages old.. also the max integration is an old wish.. and that this was relized before propper timecode handling and session sync for the ableton only jam shows clearly wrong prioritys..

we have with the bridge now better sync to a dj record than we have with another guy you want to jam in the studio :-/

i personaly would rather life with the shortcomings of life as daw when the shortcomings of life as life session tool would be overcome.. syncing is only one thing there...

If I ran the zoo at Ableton, I would be working hard on an iPad version.

ark wrote:If I ran the zoo at Ableton, I would be working hard on an iPad version.

its no zoo..its an Insectarium

necho wrote:But the rate of progress doesn't look good. It suggests that the code base is very difficult to maintain.

I have had this thought in the past as well.

3phase wrote:pubic betatesting

Judging by the fact they have been recruiting "Scrum Masters" They are obviously adopting "Agile" programming methods to try and get the code base to some sort of decent quality base line from which to move forward.

From experience I know that this is very hard to do for existing legacy code.

By now they are probably learning that Agile programming methods are not a universal panacea and are beginning to experience the syndrome of "Can't change this API because I will have to update hundreds of different test fixtures if I do". And managers will start to realize that they haven't got a clue how much progress is being made against objectives.