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why write another studio tool when the market is already crowded?

Think we have to see it as an addition to the LIve function, allowing us to do a decent mixdown in the same environment ... in that respect I see it as a very welcome tool, ... especially if the audio rendering as you stated benefits from it

os wrote:having said that, if becoming a studio tool involves improving the audio processing quality, then that's good for live work too.

That's exactly what I meant - quality.

And from my POV it looks like Ableton have a close watch on what is becoming of LIVE's interface as well as on not becoming a competitor of Steinberg/emagic/Sonar. And this is just because they are still ahead of some special development wich integrates composing and recording in a far more intelligent way than it has been done before. I have no fear so far...

I know they were trying to make a performance oriented application but I liked the way it handled audio as a composition tool. I don't use it live, I use it to write music. So I am happier with the development move towards music recording/production. In my mind it is becomming a new kind of composition tool entirely different than Cubase or Logic. It helps me think differently during composition. I can do stuff in a few minutes in LIVE that would take hours in Cubase or even ACID. It is a fundamentally new recording tool. But DJs like it too

will version 2 be available in India
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Until now I've always said that Live should stay as a performance tool but after reading the new feature list for 2.0 I'm getting excited about using it more in the studio. I'm imagining how fast I could be working in Live rather than wasting time in Logic's menu-based interface. If VSTi support makes it into Live one day I'd probably consider it as my main composition tool. Maybe we can start calling it "Live"(pronounced Liv) in the studio and "Live"(pronounced Live) on stage.

The only reason other music apps exist is to create sounds to feed into Live...will somebody please do a t-racks style mastering plug in for osx?

mindlobster wrote:The only reason other music apps exist is to create sounds to feed into Live...will somebody please do a t-racks style mastering plug in for osx?

Yeah, maybe Logic will one day become nothing but a giant soft-synth/VSTi host to feed sounds into Live for me. Only problem is that Logic's Rewire blows Santa Claus' nuts right now. Hopefuly that will change soon. Logic Platinum for OS X has some nice mastering plug-ins included. That's about all I've seen so far.

I am VERY dissapointed. Ableton seem to think VSTi softsynth/samplers are of no importance. What a joke. What else can you do live to impress people...yes play a keyboard. Not even a mention of their plans for VSTi.

Listen guys I have been putting my hand up on this issue for weeks, I've also directly emailed Ableton with no success. Could someone else on the forum please tell me what they have heard about VSTi compatability.

I am VERY dissapointed. Ableton seem to think VSTi softsynth/samplers are of no importance. What a joke. What else can you do live to impress people...yes play a keyboard. Not even a mention of their plans for VSTi.

Listen guys I have been putting my hand up on this issue for weeks, I've also directly emailed Ableton with no success. Could someone else on the forum please tell me what they have heard about VSTi compatability.

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I´m really not an expert, and I have used the demo only, but the answer to this is obvious IMHO: Live is at its heart an application that handles audio. A task that it does exellent and in an easy,creative way that is unique in the audio appz world. Adding VSTi would mean that Live also would have to become a midi sequenser, in order to make any use of the softsynths. I really can not see any reason for this: There must be at least a million different ways to get audio into Live already. The new features of v2 shows that Ableton is fully aware of this, and proves that the good guys are quite determined to make the best, most inspiring, creative and easy to use audio application in the known universe.

Anonymous wrote: Adding VSTi would mean that Live also would have to become a midi sequenser, in order to make any use of the softsynths.

Not at all - you could play the VSTi live over MIDI. That's the point - making Live a single integrated package for performance.
Obviously if you're in the studio you can use Cubase/Logic/whatever for your softsynths. But on stage we want to be able to host our synths in the same app and feed their output through the same mixer/effects etc.

Everybody's going to have a different view on this...VSTi's don't matter to me, I create all my song parts in Session/Reason/minidisc etc before loading them into Live. On stage I want to use Live ONLY, and keep it simple at that! I have enough to do, I don't think VSTi's are a 'must-have' for performance...Live is an audio sequencer and jamming instrument... I think the demand for features like VSTi's which are already supported elsewhere could hold Live back, make it more like the other over complicated sequencers out there...and there are too many of those already!

VSTi are great but they bring a lot of problems. There are hundreds of them, and they all have their own specific issues. It would bring alot of work for ableton folks. Maybe they want to stick to the idea of a "sequencing instrument"....

The best thing to do is to find a very simple vst host in which you can save your setups to go with each Live song.

I use Orion for that, rewired to Live, but Ive never used it live, so I havent had to figure how I would make the transition from one track to the other, while opening projects in both progs...Im sure its possible, maybe using lots of echos, or a second laptop?

hsonik wrote:VSTi are great but they bring a lot of problems. There are hundreds of them, and they all have their own specific issues. It would bring alot of work for ableton folks.

As far as I'm aware, VSTis are much the same as VST effect plugins, they just take MIDI input.
Ableton seem happy enough hosting VST effects.

First off, I don't understand the big desire since Live is not really a Midi app.

But, can't you use certain Rewire-compatible Synths as standalone alongside Live and into it's mixer, fx, etc...???

http://www.propellerheads.se/products/r ... ducts.html

I guess the other option would be if you could use an app that hosts VSTi's as a ReWire slave.

Of course, there's always Reason, which is an entire environment that works great with Live.

Kodama wrote:First off, I don't understand the big desire since Live is not really a Midi app.

I think anyone who uses a MIDI fader box to control Live might disagree with you there.

Kodama wrote: But, can't you use certain Rewire-compatible Synths as standalone alongside Live and into it's mixer, fx, etc...???

I'd be happy to, but I'm not aware of any Rewire slave app that hosts VSTis under Mac OS X.