I know this is stupid, but is there really no chemical replacement for vinyl in our chemically enhanced times ?
EG: I have this stuff called polymorph which melts at 65 degrees C to the consistency of very soft clay, or perhaps chewing gum. It sets like nylon (think washing up bowls or canoes/kayaks) under a cold tap it sets in about 10 seconds. You can drill it and file it, then re-melt it down in hot water again.
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?Mod ... =&doy=29m1
Obviously that's no good for long lasting records, but there must be some compound that we could use for our own short life records?
If the market is there & a compound is applicable (in future) - someone will make a home record press and sell you 5 kg of easy melt record goo.
The End Of Vinyl In 2009!!
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Your probably right. Someone May invent a better do it yourself pressing machine than the ones that are currently available. But I highly doubt a company will invest in a medium that is dying and open up a mass factory production plant after 2009, Many said that when the analog tape company in the states closed someone else would start to manufacturing analog tape as there is still much demand. It hasnt happened and it wont happen. The remaining reels of tape have been bought up by individuals who are hanging on to them to seel them at a premium in the near future. Have a look around and check out how cheap you can buy a studer 2" 24 track machine. I saw one advertised the other day for a 4.5k new it was around 75k.hoffman2k wrote:I think hot and sweaty nightclubs or festival tents would melt those things down really easy. But i'm pretty sure they'll invent something. If it's profitable, somebody will eventually do it.
Your probably right. Someone May invent a better do it yourself pressing machine than the ones that are currently available. But I highly doubt a company will invest in a medium that is dying and open up a mass factory production plant after 2009, Many said that when the analog tape company in the states closed someone else would start to manufacturing analog tape as there is still much demand. It hasnt happened and it wont happen. The remaining reels of tape have been bought up by individuals who are hanging on to them to seel them at a premium in the near future. Have a look around and check out how cheap you can buy a studer 2" 24 track machine. I saw one advertised the other day for a 4.5k new it was around 75k.hoffman2k wrote:I think hot and sweaty nightclubs or festival tents would melt those things down really easy. But i'm pretty sure they'll invent something. If it's profitable, somebody will eventually do it.
hoffman2k wrote:
Maybe final scratch 2 will be a solid replacement. It's coming out this weekend i think.
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I have it now
Its totally brilliant and im not kidding. The instant looping features are amazing and so COOL. Its not glitchy, and you can instantly loop a 1/16th beat or any length. you like You can jump istantly to any part of a track seamlessly and loop it, or not. With Ableton we have to cut the track up in to sections which I think we would all agree is a little time consuming.
I was an FS user a few years ago and stopped using it as it was no better than using vinyl. But FS2 is forcing me to reconsider using Ableton Live for Dj work. In the studio I love it but as a Dj tool I find it to be lacking in areas.
Download the Studio edition which doesnt requre the FS scratch amp and it gives a good idea what can be done with it. Setting up loop areas is dead easy.
With all due respect to Ableton they could learn a couple of things from Traktor. It reads all formats including AIF Wav, AAC, MP3, instant looping, better crossfader, browser search functions.
Using FS2 with the timecoded vinyl is a joy to use. But you can simply buy a controler and get the studio edition which is just as good and theres a lot more Dj style controlers out there that are simply perfect.
Another cool thing is the inclsuion of syncing via ethernet to any compatible software, or you can sync via midi. you could have ableton live and traktor synced. Traktor however has to be the master but thats no big deal. You can sync 2 traktors via ethernet. If you have seen the space DJ's it gives an idea of the possibilities of 2 DJ's in perfect sync. Great stuff.
Now Im confused
The next major update of Traktor will include 4 channels. Very useful
Maybe final scratch 2 will be a solid replacement. It's coming out this weekend i think.
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I have it now
Its totally brilliant and im not kidding. The instant looping features are amazing and so COOL. Its not glitchy, and you can instantly loop a 1/16th beat or any length. you like You can jump istantly to any part of a track seamlessly and loop it, or not. With Ableton we have to cut the track up in to sections which I think we would all agree is a little time consuming.
I was an FS user a few years ago and stopped using it as it was no better than using vinyl. But FS2 is forcing me to reconsider using Ableton Live for Dj work. In the studio I love it but as a Dj tool I find it to be lacking in areas.
Download the Studio edition which doesnt requre the FS scratch amp and it gives a good idea what can be done with it. Setting up loop areas is dead easy.
With all due respect to Ableton they could learn a couple of things from Traktor. It reads all formats including AIF Wav, AAC, MP3, instant looping, better crossfader, browser search functions.
Using FS2 with the timecoded vinyl is a joy to use. But you can simply buy a controler and get the studio edition which is just as good and theres a lot more Dj style controlers out there that are simply perfect.
Another cool thing is the inclsuion of syncing via ethernet to any compatible software, or you can sync via midi. you could have ableton live and traktor synced. Traktor however has to be the master but thats no big deal. You can sync 2 traktors via ethernet. If you have seen the space DJ's it gives an idea of the possibilities of 2 DJ's in perfect sync. Great stuff.
Now Im confused
The next major update of Traktor will include 4 channels. Very useful
I know we are veering OT here - but:
I hope that Live doesn't go the direction of Traktor. I like Traktor a lot and am glad that they are adding a couple more decks (I'm hoping for VST based effects). As a non-DJ it makes me feel competent enough to string my tunes together for parties (or wherever) and I find it complements Live very well.
Live for me is more about performance of my own stuff, interacting and creating. I know the lines are more blurred these days between playing a record and making a tune - but, I like separation and focus in my tools.
Fruity loops suffered when it went from 'drum machine' to DAW. Sometimes single use tools are easier to use because of their focus.
I dont really want my drum kit to slowly become more like my guitar for example - despite my guitar being really great for it's purpose.
I hope that Live doesn't go the direction of Traktor. I like Traktor a lot and am glad that they are adding a couple more decks (I'm hoping for VST based effects). As a non-DJ it makes me feel competent enough to string my tunes together for parties (or wherever) and I find it complements Live very well.
Live for me is more about performance of my own stuff, interacting and creating. I know the lines are more blurred these days between playing a record and making a tune - but, I like separation and focus in my tools.
Fruity loops suffered when it went from 'drum machine' to DAW. Sometimes single use tools are easier to use because of their focus.
I dont really want my drum kit to slowly become more like my guitar for example - despite my guitar being really great for it's purpose.
Your correct angstrom. Live cant and shouldnt be all things to all people.
Lately i have been wondering about the direction of Ableton Live. It is pitched as a Dj tool as well as a live and studio performance tool but it misses some of the DJ tools (sort of)
I had no interest in Traktor 1 or FS when I dicovered Live, but I cant deny that the newest version of Traktor is forcing me to re think. I dont play my own music live, I use Live for DJ'ing but I have noticed that staring at the screen is turning people off and there are fucntions that are not DJ friendly.
Basically a lot of squinting, clickling, thinking while playing when I should be interacting and feeling the audience. Im finding it incredibly difficut to find tracks I want to play as I now have over 250. Theres no search function and dragging files in to the clip view a bit hazardous during a performance
I will also admit for the first time that my performances are not as good as they used to be. Something is missing and I think its my interaction or lack of with the audience. I used to always look at the crowd but since using Live thats not the case anymore. you know, theres an invisible connection with your crowd and using a computer doesnt help this area imo.
I was at a club last night and the Dj was using a computer (dont know which software). For the whole 3 hours he played he constantly had his head down and he looked like the lighting guy. I DEFINITELY noticed this having a negative effect on the audience.
I dunno really, I may switch to traktor for Dj;ing but I will always use live in the studio. thats where it shines for me.
Lately i have been wondering about the direction of Ableton Live. It is pitched as a Dj tool as well as a live and studio performance tool but it misses some of the DJ tools (sort of)
I had no interest in Traktor 1 or FS when I dicovered Live, but I cant deny that the newest version of Traktor is forcing me to re think. I dont play my own music live, I use Live for DJ'ing but I have noticed that staring at the screen is turning people off and there are fucntions that are not DJ friendly.
Basically a lot of squinting, clickling, thinking while playing when I should be interacting and feeling the audience. Im finding it incredibly difficut to find tracks I want to play as I now have over 250. Theres no search function and dragging files in to the clip view a bit hazardous during a performance
I will also admit for the first time that my performances are not as good as they used to be. Something is missing and I think its my interaction or lack of with the audience. I used to always look at the crowd but since using Live thats not the case anymore. you know, theres an invisible connection with your crowd and using a computer doesnt help this area imo.
I was at a club last night and the Dj was using a computer (dont know which software). For the whole 3 hours he played he constantly had his head down and he looked like the lighting guy. I DEFINITELY noticed this having a negative effect on the audience.
I dunno really, I may switch to traktor for Dj;ing but I will always use live in the studio. thats where it shines for me.
I used to play live gigs a lot - about 10 -15 gigs a month with a serious van load of heavy analogue equipment. I can tell you now, it is no fun carying a polymoog up a fire-escape in the rain for 8ish years. We did OK tho' because of our familiarity with the analogue interfaces. I can operate a Korg Ms20 or MonoPoly perfectly well behind my back!
When the rich kids arived and started gigging with laptops we were initially envious until we actually saw them play.
It looked exactly like two geeks doing their geography homework, it was the same with every act (these are the big names you are probably familiar with). I have no interest in seeing that on stage, Increasingly - neither have most punters.
I went to a friends (bluegrass) gig recently and a bunch of cool urban youth were there, I expected them to seriously hate it.
They loved it, I mean they really loved it.
Real people playing real songs, they hadn't seen anything like it. OK the band were made up of top session musicians - but it wasn't just the skill - it was the connectionand raw power they produced in feedback with the crowd.
Geography homework is killing music - Keep Music Live
example of great (non geography homework) laptop musician : Jamie Lidell
When the rich kids arived and started gigging with laptops we were initially envious until we actually saw them play.
It looked exactly like two geeks doing their geography homework, it was the same with every act (these are the big names you are probably familiar with). I have no interest in seeing that on stage, Increasingly - neither have most punters.
I went to a friends (bluegrass) gig recently and a bunch of cool urban youth were there, I expected them to seriously hate it.
They loved it, I mean they really loved it.
Real people playing real songs, they hadn't seen anything like it. OK the band were made up of top session musicians - but it wasn't just the skill - it was the connectionand raw power they produced in feedback with the crowd.
Geography homework is killing music - Keep Music Live
example of great (non geography homework) laptop musician : Jamie Lidell
I agree there are several replacements to vinyl to ever wonder why it still remains available. The cost and the availability of vinyl alone have shifted many of us to other formats such as mp3 and cds. Even if most of bought our vinyl at prices back in the 80's which were far lower then today. We still couldnt save as much money or space with whats available today. If dvd capacity is expanding to 25 gb I hope mp3 and 16bit audio die off an be replace with some new compressed 24bit wav. standard.
This is off a list i'm on, this looks like an urban myth/hoax to me... " I
searched several chemical engineering sites, vinyl.org, it's affiliates
and several newsgroups and the only mention of this is in the
originating story* and a few places it has been reposted. The author of
this tale, only known as Jynxx, has also recently published such
groundbreaking stories as "Suge Knight Implicated In Dr. Dre Assault",
"Grammys Fit for a Queen (Latifah)" and of course "50 Cent's Massacre
Continues: Jadakiss Targeted". I don't know exactly where this guy gets
his facts but I did a rumor on the sites message board that he was born
and raised in Bullshittersville, GA although he will never admit to it
and still claims to be from "Brooklyn Y'all" to this day.
So get out there and get down tonight without any sappy thoughts
that you are living in the end of an era. Then tomorrow when you are
too hung-over to get anything productive done, grab one of those
craptastic records you bought when you were high and then never played
again. Then turn your stove on and melt it into a flower pot** and
plant some "hemp" in there so as it flourishes it will serve as a
constant reminder to never go record shopping when you are high, which
in fact you will still be doing in 2009 and beyond. =) I
searched several chemical engineering sites, vinyl.org, it's affiliates
and several newsgroups and the only mention of this is in the
originating story* and a few places it has been reposted. The author of
this tale, only known as Jynxx, has also recently published such
groundbreaking stories as "Suge Knight Implicated In Dr. Dre Assault",
"Grammys Fit for a Queen (Latifah)" and of course "50 Cent's Massacre
Continues: Jadakiss Targeted". I don't know exactly where this guy gets
his facts but I did a rumor on the sites message board that he was born
and raised in Bullshittersville, GA although he will never admit to it
and still claims to be from "Brooklyn Y'all" to this day.
So get out there and get down tonight without any sappy thoughts
that you are living in the end of an era. Then tomorrow when you are
too hung-over to get anything productive done, grab one of those
craptastic records you bought when you were high and then never played
again. Then turn your stove on and melt it into a flower pot** and
plant some "hemp" in there so as it flourishes it will serve as a
constant reminder to never go record shopping when you are high, which
in fact you will still be doing in 2009 and beyond. =)"
Peace out Y'all
Jason
Peace out Y'all
Jason
searched several chemical engineering sites, vinyl.org, it's affiliates
and several newsgroups and the only mention of this is in the
originating story* and a few places it has been reposted. The author of
this tale, only known as Jynxx, has also recently published such
groundbreaking stories as "Suge Knight Implicated In Dr. Dre Assault",
"Grammys Fit for a Queen (Latifah)" and of course "50 Cent's Massacre
Continues: Jadakiss Targeted". I don't know exactly where this guy gets
his facts but I did a rumor on the sites message board that he was born
and raised in Bullshittersville, GA although he will never admit to it
and still claims to be from "Brooklyn Y'all" to this day.
So get out there and get down tonight without any sappy thoughts
that you are living in the end of an era. Then tomorrow when you are
too hung-over to get anything productive done, grab one of those
craptastic records you bought when you were high and then never played
again. Then turn your stove on and melt it into a flower pot** and
plant some "hemp" in there so as it flourishes it will serve as a
constant reminder to never go record shopping when you are high, which
in fact you will still be doing in 2009 and beyond. =) I
searched several chemical engineering sites, vinyl.org, it's affiliates
and several newsgroups and the only mention of this is in the
originating story* and a few places it has been reposted. The author of
this tale, only known as Jynxx, has also recently published such
groundbreaking stories as "Suge Knight Implicated In Dr. Dre Assault",
"Grammys Fit for a Queen (Latifah)" and of course "50 Cent's Massacre
Continues: Jadakiss Targeted". I don't know exactly where this guy gets
his facts but I did a rumor on the sites message board that he was born
and raised in Bullshittersville, GA although he will never admit to it
and still claims to be from "Brooklyn Y'all" to this day.
So get out there and get down tonight without any sappy thoughts
that you are living in the end of an era. Then tomorrow when you are
too hung-over to get anything productive done, grab one of those
craptastic records you bought when you were high and then never played
again. Then turn your stove on and melt it into a flower pot** and
plant some "hemp" in there so as it flourishes it will serve as a
constant reminder to never go record shopping when you are high, which
in fact you will still be doing in 2009 and beyond. =)"
Peace out Y'all
Jason
Peace out Y'all
Jason
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leisuremuffin
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16 BIT wrote:There is a raw ingredient used in the manufacture of vinyl which wont be available by 2009 due to its effect on the environment. The price of this ingredient will rise astranomically a year or two before 2009 which will mean labels will not be able to afford to manufacture vinyl. Eventually the few remaining vinyl pressing plants will close down. The smart ones are shifting their operations to DVD and CD manufacturing as we speak.doubletakeman wrote:This is bullshit.. it's only from one source and it's some cat that made up plenty of other rumors.
vnyl is coming to an end just like 2" recording tape which is no longer manufactured.
Progress cant be stopped.
I strongly disagree. I am willing to bet that 2" tape will be manufactured again. There is enough of a market to support a SMALL manufacturer.
Quantegy is gone, but someone will pick up the slack.
vinyl too, even if its true that there is some ingredient that will no longer be available, someone will come up with an alternative.
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