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Just read the link. It sounds like they are going to put a solid effort into mimicking Kore in Maschine. It's not just a "you can sorta already do it with Maschine so fuck it" move. Should be interesting. Almost seems like an Apple type move.

Some of us were hoping awhile back that they would actually expand Kore and make a controller with more options. Then I looked at my Maschine controller and realized that it is a Kore controller with more options. Now we just need the mind blowing software component.

Definitely a disappointing announcement. But only for fear of it not working one day. I don't need any features added to it, so as long as they keep it working, then I'm fine. And NI have been pretty good about keeping discontinued products working and able to be authorized on current systems. We can still use spectral delay for example. So I'm not exactly crushed, I think we'll still be able to use Kore for some time.

There is so much that Maschine just doesn't do that Kore does. As a utility it is invaluable. I love the control set up per preset, that's great, and it's a great tool for setting up midi controlled VST effects along with VST instruments on the same channel. I also love it as a send effect module, because the kore controller can always be available for those effects parameters separately from individual track parameters.

I still Maschine as a kick-ass drum machine and sampler, not a hub for complex instruments and routing setups. But who knows maybe that functionality will come along. But even if it does, the controller doesn't seem suitable for all purposes. IT's meant as an MPC style drum box. I'd never buy another one to use as I use Kore right now (as an instrument macro control surface used in parallel with novation controllers or an effects controller). Maybe they'll release a supplemental Maschine controller one day as an add-on for more control (second instances etc.), I don't know.

I hope you're right, glitchrock. At this point the user base has to be large enough to justify keeping it alive in terms of support for a few years. The hardware is fairly robust which will also make it hard for me to give up on the platform. Not to mention the work I've put into the software and sound database side of things.

As you said, the idea that Maschine is going to replace Kore in terms of functionality is bit abstract at this point. NI has a lot of work to do on the guts of Maschine if they want to match the programmability of Kore.

And given how big a point NI is making of this being an evolution of their product line, I'm going to be pissed down the road if, as a user of both Kore and Maschine, they start to ask me to pay for future Maschine updates. Up until now, I was fully expecting them to start charging any time now, but if they are bricking Kore, I hope get a lot more free mileage out of Maschine.

ni is kompletely komplex and too much so
kore2 was really great quality hardware but ipads are now blowing that stuff away
look at omnispheres tr app, touchable, griid
amazing!!!!!!
if they would only do that for reaktor and absynth they can keep the rest

live is simple and thats the beauty of it

ambientidm wrote:look at omnispheres tr app,

That would be sweet if NI started making their own proprietary iPad apps for their plug-ins.

Shit, the first obvious one would be a Kore controller and that would have been relatively simple.

I think a very impressive second maschine controller will be developed maybe even a line of them and I also think that the future NI's planning for maschine is gonna be sick. The one mistake to make is to look at NI like they're behringer or somebody just trying something new, they are poised to make the maschine platform an even bigger game changer than it already has been and they see the writing on the wall. they are 'the' experts in the different aspects that they are going to combine and it's all in house, they don't have to go to anybody for anything, this stuff is gonna be no joke, i just wish they would hurry the fuck up, get it up, get it out, get it in, and then get on with it. shit maschine is already better than automap. just watch i bet they charge about $140 and say "we're gonna give you everything you want, with different controllers of the same standard that suit what you need out of maschine, even if what you want is to feel like you're not using a fucking computer we'll give you that too'....

beats me wrote:

ambientidm wrote:look at omnispheres tr app,

That would be sweet if NI started making their own proprietary iPad apps for their plug-ins.

Shit, the first obvious one would be a Kore controller and that would have been relatively simple.

This.

v00d00ppl wrote:Battery is next to getting the axe

Double this.

timothyallan wrote:oh man, nuperspective is gonna be pissed. He just waited 5 months for his Kore2 to arrive from NI

Triple this

This is the first piece of equipment/software I've ever owned to just be straight up discontinued. Don't know how to feel... I have to be completely honest though, I haven't used the Kore software all that much. What I really like about it is being able to use VSTs inside of Logic and VSTs/AUs inside of Protools, but really I spend most of my time using Live, so that's not a terrible loss. I like the controller a lot. Coupled with a launchpad, it's almost like having an APC40 or Maschine. It's really flexible too, allowing me to switch from "automap" mode to plug-in control quickly. The only gripe I have about it is that the endless encoders, like many endless encoders on the market, don't truly behave like endless encoders. For example, I can't assign them to track browsing in Traktor because once the "data limit" is reached, the cursor stops. I tried drumming up support to have NI implement a "wrap" feature for the encoders, like the encoder wheel has, but there was absolutely no interest from the community. Ah well...

On to the next.

I will sell my Kore 2 controller plus software $150, perfect shape. PM me if anyone is interested.

I feel royally screwed, to be honest

This post sums up why a lot of users are legitimately pissed:
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... post879539

This is the interview in question (taken less than a year ago)
http://www.kvraudio.com/interview_with_ ... uments.php

and this is trolling
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... post878941

drewbixcube wrote:This is the first piece of equipment/software I've ever owned to just be straight up discontinued.

You've never used any hardware, I take it?

Credit should be given to NI for making a few more updates to Kore including 64bit support and unlimited technical support thereafter. Not all developers will do that for a product they're no longer selling. The bottomline is Kore still works and will continue to work for years to come.

Deimateos wrote:This is the interview in question (taken less than a year ago)
http://www.kvraudio.com/interview_with_ ... uments.php

That interview is actually from 2008 despite what the KVR website shows.

While I do have some slight fear of Kore no longer working under some future system, in reality it will continue working and being supported for all foreseeable systems until some very major change (like OS9 to OSX type thing).

So assuming it will continue to work, which is what we're told, how exactly is anyone getting screwed? I've got a product that I bought to do something. If it continues to do what it does, then I'm happy. I understand the fear of future incompatibility but I think in this case people are getting a bit overly freaked out.

glitchrock-buddha wrote:While I do have some slight fear of Kore no longer working under some future system, in reality it will continue working and being supported for all foreseeable systems until some very major change (like OS9 to OSX type thing).

So assuming it will continue to work, which is what we're told, how exactly is anyone getting screwed? I've got a product that I bought to do something. If it continues to do what it does, then I'm happy. I understand the fear of future incompatibility but I think in this case people are getting a bit overly freaked out.

- If you use Kore for live performance, at some point in the future you're going to have to remap and possibly reprogram your entire live set without Kore.
So a piece of hard and software bought because it's a way to combine and simplify your live set up will eventually cost you even more hours than it ever saved.

- They could if they so felt like it stop development of Kore and update it for future OS's and DAWs without adding new features like Ohm Force does with their line of FX, but they always just abandon their products, it really makes using their stuff that much more risky.

-Kore will no doubt have problems with the next version of somebodies DAW, Live 9 for instance could constantly crash with Kore, with no possible way to fix it.

-Compound this for people on Windows who buy a computer next year with Windows 8 on it, NI have not guaranteed Windows 8 compatibility.

-Already Avid Pro Tools and NI are currently not compatible, and Avids response is that Kore is a discontinued product.

Personally I use a Kore 1 controller for the four audio outs, and I'm glad that at least NI have Control Center so Kore can be used as a MIDI controller in Live, but I am disappointed. Kore was a great idea, IMO having a percussion controller like Maschine take over were Kore left off makes no sense. Kore was/is a better solution than Automap, hell I never have bothered with Automap for plug ins, I just used Automap in Live mode. Oddly enough, now the more future proof way will be in total reverse, Automap for plug ins and Kore in Mackie Control (Live) mode. Again personally I can't stand Racks as far as UI, but now for performance a combination of Racks and Automap will have to do, though considering that Novation are a hardware company mainly Automap will have a longer life than Kore.

hmmm..but..
if they make the 'kore' controller compatible with the 'Maschine' software...
that could solve it..no?

Machinesworking wrote:

glitchrock-buddha wrote:While I do have some slight fear of Kore no longer working under some future system, in reality it will continue working and being supported for all foreseeable systems until some very major change (like OS9 to OSX type thing).

So assuming it will continue to work, which is what we're told, how exactly is anyone getting screwed? I've got a product that I bought to do something. If it continues to do what it does, then I'm happy. I understand the fear of future incompatibility but I think in this case people are getting a bit overly freaked out.

- If you use Kore for live performance, at some point in the future you're going to have to remap and possibly reprogram your entire live set without Kore.
So a piece of hard and software bought because it's a way to combine and simplify your live set up will eventually cost you even more hours than it ever saved.

- They could if they so felt like it stop development of Kore and update it for future OS's and DAWs without adding new features like Ohm Force does with their line of FX, but they always just abandon their products, it really makes using their stuff that much more risky.

-Kore will no doubt have problems with the next version of somebodies DAW, Live 9 for instance could constantly crash with Kore, with no possible way to fix it.

-Compound this for people on Windows who buy a computer next year with Windows 8 on it, NI have not guaranteed Windows 8 compatibility.

-Already Avid Pro Tools and NI are currently not compatible, and Avids response is that Kore is a discontinued product.

Personally I use a Kore 1 controller for the four audio outs, and I'm glad that at least NI have Control Center so Kore can be used as a MIDI controller in Live, but I am disappointed. Kore was a great idea, IMO having a percussion controller like Maschine take over were Kore left off makes no sense. Kore was/is a better solution than Automap, hell I never have bothered with Automap for plug ins, I just used Automap in Live mode. Oddly enough, now the more future proof way will be in total reverse, Automap for plug ins and Kore in Mackie Control (Live) mode. Again personally I can't stand Racks as far as UI, but now for performance a combination of Racks and Automap will have to do, though considering that Novation are a hardware company mainly Automap will have a longer life than Kore.

Yeah, I definitely agree with what you're saying. I guess I'm trying to be optimistic that problems will be a long way off and maybe by then Ableton will finally make racks a little more useful (add some more macros and add buttons goddamnit!).